I believe in gay marriage

[husaberg]

"The legal requirements are:

• The marriage must be performed in the presence of a Registered Marriage or Civil Union Celebrant or Registrar of Marriages at one of the places specified on the marriage licence.
• The full legal names of both parties to the marriage must be stated somewhere in the ceremony.
• The marriage must be performed in the presence of at least two witnesses; and
• During the ceremony, and before at least two witnesses, each party must say the words "I AB take you CD, to be my legal wife/husband" or words to similar effect.
• Both parties, witnesses and Marriage Celebrant/Registrar sign the registration forms"

'words to similar effect' is very vague...

I guess that's actually a Marriage you quoting.

here below is the rules relating to a Civil union it looks like the legal term is solely partner so i can understand why people may find it a bit half arsed.
http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.ns...n?OpenDocument

[allycatz]

Why can't marriages in churches be called that and marriage by any other means eg registry office, a civil union. As long as it doesnt become legal to marry the family dog, who blardy cares!

[oneofsix]

WTF has the church or state got to do with marriage anyhow. The church can bless the union of two, or more, of its members if it wants and can have its own believes around that. The state only needs to know that a couple (or more) are now a single legal entity so providing that is register as such, like a mini limited liability company then the state should be happy and keep its nose out of it, call it a registered union.
Marriage is a special bond between the people involved and is not reliant on any outside organisation, more reliant on the families and friends of those involved than religion, cult or state.
If and when kids come along they register that they, as the registered union, are responsible for them, your choice whether you consider them liabilities or assets
Marriage involves leave others to be with the chosen, declaring such, and cleaving with the chosen partner to become a single unit.

The trouble with this law's chosen course is that once they have the state given right to marry they will try to use the state's anti-discrimination laws to try and force others such as churches to recognise their 'marriage' and perform the ceremony. How the hell you can want a group that doesn't like you to perform the ceremony is beyond me but I guess it is no different from a traditional bride deciding she likes the look of that cute church she has never been to and being upset when the priest tells her to take a long walk off a short pier.

[Tigadee]

The trouble with this law's chosen course is that once they have the state given right to marry they will try to use the state's anti-discrimination laws to try and force others such as churches to recognise their 'marriage' and perform the ceremony. How the hell you can want a group that doesn't like you to perform the ceremony is beyond me but I guess it is no different from a traditional bride deciding she likes the look of that cute church she has never been to and being upset when the priest tells her to take a long walk off a short pier.

Don't see how that would happen... Isn't it discriminatory to force a group to marry non-members of that group in their ways? It'll be like me forcing a synaggoge [pardon my atrocious spelling of a word I've only used once in my whole life] to perform a bar mitzvah for me just 'cos I like it, even though I'm not joining their faith, not circumcised or not giving up pork.

[allycatz]

Isn't marriage in a church meant to be like a christening in that you are married or accepted as part of a christian family....as in marriage between god and couple. Is marriage a church word that has evolved into being used for all examples of wedlock? ps I'm not remotely religious, just wondering how it all evolved is all

[ducatilover]

Isn't marriage in a church meant to be like a christening in that you are married or accepted as part of a christian family....as in marriage between god and couple. Is marriage a church word that has evolved into being used for all examples of wedlock? ps I'm not remotely religious, just wondering how it all evolved is all

No, marriage pre-dates written history and christianity

[Virago]

...The trouble with this law's chosen course is that once they have the state given right to marry they will try to use the state's anti-discrimination laws to try and force others such as churches to recognise their 'marriage' and perform the ceremony...

Yet another red herring. Any marriage celebrant has the right of refusal - they cannot be "forced" to marry anyone. Any suggestion that this will change is simply nonsense.

[Tigadee]

We'll see how true that holds in a few years time...

[98tls]

No, marriage pre-dates written history and christianity

You read that?

[ducatilover]

You read that?

In actual Maori writing


Honest

[BoristheBiter]

Yet another red herring. Any marriage celebrant has the right of refusal - they cannot be "forced" to marry anyone. Any suggestion that this will change is simply nonsense.

I just heard on the news this morning that there are people that have either been fired or contracts are not being renewed due to not preforming same sex marriage.

What they have said is that the person refused to preform a marriage or civil union based on their beliefs were fired for discrimination.
So now they have taken their action to court as they were discriminated against because of their beliefs.

So yes I guess you are technically right that they can't be forced to marry anyone just like you can't force anyone to think its right or preform one.

[oldrider]

I just heard on the news this morning that there are people that have either been fired or contracts are not being renewed due to not preforming same sex marriage.

What they have said is that the person refused to preform a marriage or civil union based on their beliefs were fired for discrimination.
So now they have taken their action to court as they were discriminated against because of their beliefs.

So yes I guess you are technically right that they can't be forced to marry anyone just like you can't force anyone to think its right or preform one.

That reads like the bill doubles as a make work scheme for lawyers and the legal system!

[BoristheBiter]

That reads like the bill doubles as a make work scheme for lawyers and the legal system!

Who do you think writes them in the first place.

[avgas]

You read that?

Last time I check stuff was happening more than 2500 years ago.........

[oldrider]

Who do you think writes them in the first place.

Well I have a friend who's job (in parliament) it was to write up legislation like this and I also have friends who are lawyers and their job is to challenge the legal meaning of what is written!