This would change the game wrt ACC levies

[aroberts]

This would be fairer. Wonder how they could introduce it and still charge more for Motorcycles.

I see Gerry Brownlee seems to support it.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/n...ectid=10825825

[hayd3n]

there would be enough with this system to give us all a flat rate they would make so much more $$ this way and yes a far fairer system

[swbarnett]

WTF is wrong with taking ACC costs out of the general tax take? No inequities and no huge administration costs.

Afterall, isn't it the whole point of ACC that getting someone back on their feet is of benefit to the entire populace? If the entire populace benifit then why should the entire populace pay?

[eliot-ness]

there would be enough with this system to give us all a flat rate they would make so much more $$ this way and yes a far fairer system

Fairer for whom? Car and bike owners yes, bikers especially could find it much to their advantage, but what about the guy with a gas guzzling Merc? he could find himself paying three times as much for the same mileage as the mini car owner or the average bike rider. Then there's the boaties, who probably use more fuel per kilometer than most drivers, or the fishing fleet owners who are big users of diesel fuel. Making them exempt from the charges could be difficult if not impossible.
I reckon there will be a lot of complaints if this idea ever gets of the ground.

[FJRider]

Afterall, isn't it the whole point of ACC that getting someone back on their feet is of benefit to the entire populace? If the entire populace benifit then why should the entire populace pay?

They all pay in the way of various taxes. Taxes other than the levy's added to registration fee's .... for those that don't own a vehicle.

[steve_t]

Definitely fairer. Not totally fair but fairer. This gets rid of the penalty for bikers that own multiple bikes yet can only ride one at any given time. I guess it's not good for you lot that ride around with your regos on hold though

[Meanie]

Fuck paying ACC
We pay them enough as it is. Bring on private insurance

[Kickaha]

Fuck paying ACC
We pay them enough as it is. Bring on private insurance

I'd be willing to bet that's going to make our current ACC levy look cheap

[MSTRS:Me]

When the 'debate' was raging on here about the proposed increase/s to ACC, this was amongst the suggestions put forward as a viable alternative. I happen to support this one 100%. The only motorists that will get out of paying will be the drive-offs...but they prolly don't pay a rego under the current system anyway.
Best thing about it? You only pay when you use your vehicle...or should I say, you pay up front (like now) when you purchase fuel, but as long as you are not using the fuel, your ACC/rego is not ticking down to zero.

[whowhatwhere]

Sounds great to me. Would be good to have an idea of how many cents per litre we're talking here.

[MSTRS:Me]

Sounds great to me. Would be good to have an idea of how many cents per litre we're talking here.

Earlier calculations suggested it would be in the nature of 20c per litre. 10c per litre is already levied on petrol - which is why diesel vehicles attract a higher rego.

[pete-blen]

Then there's the boaties, who probably use more fuel per kilometer than most drivers, or the fishing fleet owners who are big users of diesel fuel. Making them exempt from the charges could be difficult if not impossible.

You don't really think fishing boats/fleets pay road user charges in the fuel cost..Do yer??
Theres NO road user charges on diesel fuel at the mariners if you get from the re-fueling jettys..
The petrol pumps on the re-fueling jettys would prob be the same if this system came in..


((mined you with the amount of brain dead pratts the get into trouble in boats..It could be used to help
pay for search & rescue...))

[hayd3n]

Fairer for whom? Car and bike owners yes, bikers especially could find it much to their advantage, but what about the guy with a gas guzzling Merc? he could find himself paying three times as much for the same mileage as the mini car owner or the average bike rider. Then there's the boaties, who probably use more fuel per kilometer than most drivers, or the fishing fleet owners who are big users of diesel fuel. Making them exempt from the charges could be difficult if not impossible.
I reckon there will be a lot of complaints if this idea ever gets of the ground.

dont drive a merc, and plus boaties have accidents so they will be covered , 4 cents a litre increase would probably cover it for all users .
it would be a far easier system and is would be easy to manage unlike the current system which is a load of crap

[Meanie]

I'd be willing to bet that's going to make our current ACC levy look cheap

It was shit loads cheaper a number of years ago when they brought it in that we could get our own private insurance. Unfortunatly short lived when ACC and the Govt realised they wernt getting enough revenue to pay the current recipiants of ACC and they reversed it after only twelve months

[eliot-ness]

You don't really think fishing boats/fleets pay road user charges in the fuel cost..Do yer??
Theres NO road user charges on diesel fuel at the mariners if you get from the re-fueling jettys..
The petrol pumps on the re-fueling jettys would prob be the same if this system came in..


((mined you with the amount of brain dead pratts the get into trouble in boats..It could be used to help
pay for search & rescue...))

Present diesel price for marine use, Fishing boats and runabouts, is US980,50 per tonne.(1177ltrs) but maintenance costs for fishing boats is much higher than for road vehicles so no road user charges. But; try to find a place that'll supply the local fisho with cheap fuel, most of the petrol pumps closed down long ago and diesel is usually restricted to commercial users or their very close friends.