Ken Ring sticks the boot in

[george formby]

Oh gawd I here you say, here's the mans perspective on environmentalists endangering the planet.

The Ring view

[Murray]

Should read "stick the boot in Kens ring"

[george formby]

Should read "stick the boot in Kens ring"

I did try to think of something along those lines but my wit has left the building for now. I think it might be the friday joke thread that did it.

[mashman]

So how does mother nature produce exhaust gases? How does she pollute her waterways with nuclear waste and industry byproduct? The funny thing is that we'll never know who's telling the truth until there's no reason to not. We are having an effect, to deny that would be hugely ignorant... to what extent is another matter... but who cares when there's money to be made.

[george formby]

. but who cares when there's money to be made.

There in lies the rub, one bit I cannot argue with.

[Jantar]

So how does mother nature produce exhaust gases?

Tongariro is currently emitting CO2, SO2 and F. CO2 is not a pollutant, but SO2 is and Florine is highly toxic.

How does she pollute her waterways with nuclear waste and industry byproduct?

Yes, this paper is peer reviewed http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v.../ngeo1205.html So the earths core is really just a giant fission reactor, and yes, its waste and byproducts DO reach the surface and our waterways.

I agree with you that man is also having an effect, and one that vastly exceeds any natural effects in some areas, but to pretend that all of nature is simply clean and pure is to live life with permanent blinkers on.

[Road kill]

I have a lot of time for Mr Ring,reguardless of the fact he's been subject to a witch hunt that a lot of people seem to have bought into.
And I don't need some expert telling me the planet is in danger,,or not.
From where I'm sitting I look out across the Manukau harbor all the way to the shy tower some 15kms away.
And what I'm looking at "apart from the water" was only 200 years ago almost completely covered by mix of Kihikatea and kauri forest.
Today it's covered in housing,industry,and some highly modified farm land that in another 50-100 years will also be gone.
On any given day I can watch the semi cleaned up steam and smoke billowing out of the steel mill stacks.
The same shit that has cost local farmers and fruit growers a great deal of their income year after year due to crop damage.
I see of smoke coming from factories around Onehunga/Otahuhu,,chirst knows what that is.
The harbor flats directly off Otahuhu that used to provide an important food source for pre European Maori and later early European settlers have been polluted out of existance for at lest the last 70 years.
Not far from there are the Mangere shit ponds that have been pumping Aucklands crap into the harbor "often untreated" for more years than I know.
On a still day I can sit on my front porch and watch as the yellow haze that hangs over the southern motorway starts to build up from about 6:30-7:00am.
I used to drive into town from where I live and if I saw another vehicle on the road I knew who was driving or riding it.
Today I get tail gated by one car after another the whole way in,and I seldom know who it is this time.
When I moved out here we had a population of around 1500 people,today there's around 7000 an 90% of them are people that moved from Auckland to get away from the rat race but bought their AK attitudes with them.
In only 200 years we've gone from a pristine paradice to a congested and pollutted city that "so they say" nobody wants to live in but more and more people still continue to move into anyway.
See I have this issue with immigration in NZ,not so much the people or where they come from,but just the numbers.
This country is attractive to so many because of life styles,the great outdoors,real freedoms compered to so many other countries.
But the more of them that come,the less all of those things will also become.
I spent a great deal of my child hood growing up on the north shore,Glenfield didn't exist and Albany was out in the sticks somewhere.
My brothers and I used to follow the earth movers picking up the Kauri gum they uncovered as they developed the land for what today is Glenfield.
the north side of Northcote was a new subdivision and Birkdale didn't exist.
I used to fish in the mouth of Heliers creek for huge snapper an the odd kingie,the water was a clean deep green colour,today it's a foggy milky sort of green and I doubt anybody pulled a good snap out of there in the last 30 years.
From the Beach Haven wharf all the way to River head there might of been 2-3 boats on moarings,today it looks like a marina.
The way I look at it people are as much a form of pollution as any industrial waste will ever be.
But nobody really needs to be told this,all you have to do is open your eye's and take a look.
And there's no innocents,we're all in this togeather.

[schrodingers cat]

And there's no innocents,we're all in this togeather.

Aye. Can't have this standard of living and no pollution.

You want to be 'green'? Stop consuming

[mashman]

Tongariro is currently emitting CO2, SO2 and F. CO2 is not a pollutant, but SO2 is and Florine is highly toxic.

Yes, this paper is peer reviewed http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v.../ngeo1205.html So the earths core is really just a giant fission reactor, and yes, its waste and byproducts DO reach the surface and our waterways.

I agree with you that man is also having an effect, and one that vastly exceeds any natural effects in some areas, but to pretend that all of nature is simply clean and pure is to live life with permanent blinkers on.

All very true and I don't that nature has her own tricks up her sleeve... I was hoping to convey extra natural processes outwith what we call background noise. Nature doesn't dump it all in drums in the ocean being an analogy for what I was failing to convey... where nature would/has probably distributed the noise more evenly and has been able to manage that "waste" it will be used to it.

[AllanB]

Very interesting reading.

Regardless of your personal opinions on Mr R, I have not forgotten the absolute disaster of a 'interview' that cock John Cambull (SP? bull as in bullshit suits) did over the quakes. Interview my arse!

[Swoop]

Environmentalists' should be treated carefully.
Gently massaged in garlic with soy, then heated in a warm oven for over an hour. They can be VERY bitter if not cooked carefully. Enjoy with a nice chianti.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Oh gawd I here you say, here's the mans perspective on environmentalists endangering the planet.

The Ring view

An interesting enough read but hardly cause for Ken Ring to gain kudos, if that was was he was out to achieve.

I see he works for Oz channel 7 news. I wonder how come he hasn't got a similar role with an NZ channel?

[avgas]

I read motorbike magazines every day. But I do no profess to be a MotoGP mechanic.

Mr Ring is lapping up all the attention he is getting, perhaps that was his goal all along. If so, hats off to you Mr Ring. Bravo.

They say this guy was a nut job. May be he was right too?!!!??

[Smoker]

I have a lot of time for Mr Ring,reguardless of the fact he's been subject to a witch hunt that a lot of people seem to have bought into.
And I don't need some expert telling me the planet is in danger,,or not.
From where I'm sitting I look out across the Manukau harbor all the way to the shy tower some 15kms away.
...

Nicely written RoadKill, some good points. But pollution doesn't affect weather is what I thing Ring is saying. Thing is, Auckland's weather and climate would have been the same 200 years ago as now. Cities mean transport and that means engines, but there no worse than horse shit in the streets in the 1800s. I think Ring is right, climate change is a rort and a money trail. Good on him for saying the truth.

[Road kill]

An interesting enough read but hardly cause for Ken Ring to gain kudos, if that was was he was out to achieve.

I see he works for Oz channel 7 news. I wonder how come he hasn't got a similar role with an NZ channel?

Because NZ TV is very much an old boys club,and Ken is not in the club.
Keep in mind a lot of Radio and TV types that have not towed the company line in NZ are now doing quite well outside NZ.