Are the boys at BSB with their "stock" superbikes onto something?

[codgyoleracer]

JeeeeSUS! I dont know Ian,He don't even know what the classes are called anymore,WTF is Prolite 250 ????,Old age must be getting to him,I believe he had occassion to blow out 49 candles last week,WOW imagine being that old haha!

Wow, awesome spotting of the important stuff in that post Billy :-) , there was a a spelling error or two as well, suprised you didnt comment on that ?

[codgyoleracer]

Thank you for your comment we will get back to you in due course , please take a number and wait.(Just kidding). Very good points Glen.

Hi Ian, Yeah its a pretty standard business plan technique to write down a list of qualifying questions like these before you actually try and assess a problem. Its a way of keeping yourself and others on track and helps to quickly eliminate matters that are irrelevant or that dont fit.
The data that you have maintained and publicised on class numbers and entries at rounds is also very important for long-term planning.

[The Chow]

Hi Ian, Yeah its a pretty standard business plan technique to write down a list of qualifying questions like these before you actually try and assess a problem. Its a way of keeping yourself and others on track and helps to quickly eliminate matters that are irrelevant or that dont fit.The data that you have maintained and publicised on class numbers and entries at rounds is also very important for long-term planning.

Thanks for that , and thanks for your thoughts, you know that we are all in this game together , but sometimes there has to a good cop bad cop situation , which can be awkward at times , but has to happen. Cheers

[codgyoleracer]

Couple of things that need clarifying for you Spud,First of all your comment of "most racers" is a bit of an overstatement,Most racers dont visit KB or comment

Secondly,The supesrstock/Supersport and Superbike discussion you speak of has only been seriously discussed on here,We as a commission havent and won't even consider discussion on the future until the 2013 series is finalised,When we do the ideas we take into consideration will come from a much bigger circle of participants than frequent KB,Most of whom have forgotten more about running the sport than the folks on here will ever know,That said,we do read the suggestions on here and take them into consideration,That doesnt mean that because 20 people on here agree on a subject that its the right thing to do.Be prepared for a very different series for 2013 that will include a designated parc ferme where technical checks will be performed at EVERY round,Including fuel testing,Weighing of machinery and if we can get the necessary equipment cylinder volume testing for the classes we think will require it,Our technical rep is entrenched in the Kartsport NZ scene and they are both advising and helping him with preparations in this,There will also be visual checks performed on a regular basis pre race and if a machine is found to be outside the rules and can't be rectified before their next race,They will be prohibited from taking part,NO EXCEPTIONS.

Great to hear that there will be a lifting of the game with Technical checks. This is important in ALL classes, but is particularily important in any stock based class and or any future proposed classes that might be bought closer to a stock specification.

[Billy]

How did we know ?because we were the ones at all the rounds of the nationals , winter series and Tri-series , we had riders come and keep telling us. People were given a chance to discuss it , maybe not here , but it was with riders and teams. And yet we were mis-guided and maybe made a mistake in the way things were actioned (who knows) thats yesterdays news anyway. We can communicate better at times and we are trying too but don't think everything you like will ever come in to being , the job has variables , but there is a time where someone has to make a decision on something. Mate you are so right about the MNZ website , the new one was promised for May and yet still nothing. I know they have had a few hassles with company doing the work . Lack of communication from all quarters is a problem that is for sure. As I stated previously my Job is to help Billy and Clubs co-ordinate the nationals. I'm sorry I'm not a formal spokesperson for MNZ.

Oh one final word , remember as a membership based organisation MNZ is you , you appoint the board , you have every chance to nominate people for positions when they come up. Next year it is for President and On Road Board Member (South).

Excellent post Ian and a classic example of why the commission and the board don't act on every riders whim,While they are a very important part in the system,They are also the people that want to spend as little as possible,Which in turn means we need sponsors to keep the cogs turning and guess what,They have their own agendas we have to take into consideration while formulating classe/rules etc,What we take out of anything thats posted on KB is for us to discuss,Thats assuming we take anything out of it at all,Bear in mind as some well know after the commission have discussed a subject and made a decision,Then the board have to ratify it and then it goes to a special rules committee,so they can be sure any rules are worded in such a way they can be enforced,To be honest,The ideas we take seriously are the ones that come through the correct channels as they have generally been thought through and discussed beforehand,Most of the ideas we see on sites like this appear to be the ramblings of somebody who sits at their office or control room desk with little more to do than come up with random ideas they clearly haven't thought through,Those folks would be better off spending their time reading through the rules they are expected to know and making the our job easier by not repeatedly having to answer emails and phonecalls about subjects whereby the answers are already available too them on the website,Then we could actually get on with the job at hand,I guess thats not as rewarding as showing everybody how knowledgable they really are by posting on a forum,

[Robert Taylor]

Excellent post Ian and a classic example of why the commission and the board don't act on every riders whim,While they are a very important part in the system,They are also the people that want to spend as little as possible,Which in turn means we need sponsors to keep the cogs turning and guess what,They have their own agendas we have to take into consideration while formulating classe/rules etc,What we take out of anything thats posted on KB is for us to discuss,Thats assuming we take anything out of it at all,Bear in mind as some well know after the commission have discussed a subject and made a decision,Then the board have to ratify it and then it goes to a special rules committee,so they can be sure any rules are worded in such a way they can be enforced,To be honest,The ideas we take seriously are the ones that come through the correct channels as they have generally been thought through and discussed beforehand,Most of the ideas we see on sites like this appear to be the ramblings of somebody who sits at their office or control room desk with little more to do than come up with random ideas they clearly haven't thought through,Those folks would be better off spending their time reading through the rules they are expected to know and making the our job easier by not repeatedly having to answer emails and phonecalls about subjects whereby the answers are already available too them on the website,Then we could actually get on with the job at hand,I guess thats not as rewarding as showing everybody how knowledgable they really are by posting on a forum,

Bingo, very well said but doubtless it will ruffle a few feathers! The problem also with forums is that if people choose to remain anonymous behind their forum names they will happily snipe away saying things that they will have rather less intestinal fortitude to say face to face.

I dont envy your job for all the tea in China

[Shaun]

Bingo, very well said but doubtless it will ruffle a few feathers! The problem also with forums is that if people choose to remain anonymous behind their forum names they will happily snipe away saying things that they will have rather less intestinal fortitude to say face to face.

I dont envy your job for all the tea in China

There are a few of us that stand by what we type BIATCH

[codgyoleracer]

Excellent post Ian and a classic example of why the commission and the board don't act on every riders whim,While they are a very important part in the system,They are also the people that want to spend as little as possible,Which in turn means we need sponsors to keep the cogs turning and guess what,They have their own agendas we have to take into consideration while formulating classe/rules etc,What we take out of anything thats posted on KB is for us to discuss,Thats assuming we take anything out of it at all,Bear in mind as some well know after the commission have discussed a subject and made a decision,Then the board have to ratify it and then it goes to a special rules committee,so they can be sure any rules are worded in such a way they can be enforced,To be honest,The ideas we take seriously are the ones that come through the correct channels as they have generally been thought through and discussed beforehand,Most of the ideas we see on sites like this appear to be the ramblings of somebody who sits at their office or control room desk with little more to do than come up with random ideas they clearly haven't thought through,Those folks would be better off spending their time reading through the rules they are expected to know and making the our job easier by not repeatedly having to answer emails and phonecalls about subjects whereby the answers are already available too them on the website,Then we could actually get on with the job at hand,I guess thats not as rewarding as showing everybody how knowledgable they really are by posting on a forum,

Agreed , a great post.
This thread is about how BSB have moved in a certain direction and has nothing to do with a "riders whim". Riders as a rule are not typically wanting to spend "as lttle as possible" - most infact are pretty clued up and realise what racing costs and what the levels of potential expenditure each class has. The point of this thread title is that the premier class (and maybe the 600 class) are the two most reveered classes we have - and it is therfore probably reasonble to take a position of view that the more simple and achievable we make the rules to allow competitors to compete then the more successfull the class might be.

The rest of Billys comments are about KB and the position it takes in the scheme of things, I cant be bothered commenting on that aspect as its sidetracking from the discussion. Maybe someone else can pick up that discussion.
GW

[codgyoleracer]

Bingo, very well said but doubtless it will ruffle a few feathers! The problem also with forums is that if people choose to remain anonymous behind their forum names they will happily snipe away saying things that they will have rather less intestinal fortitude to say face to face.

I dont envy your job for all the tea in China

More sidetracking clap-trap

[Billy]

Agreed , a great post.
This thread is about how BSB have moved in a certain direction and has nothing to do with a "riders whim". Riders as a rule are not typically wanting to spend "as lttle as possible" - most infact are pretty clued up and realise what racing costs and what the levels of potential expenditure each class has. The point of this thread title is that the premier class (and maybe the 600 class) are the two most reveered classes we have - and it is therfore probably reasonble to take a position of view that the more simple and achievable we make the rules to allow competitors to compete then the more successfull the class might be.

The rest of Billys comments are about KB and the position it takes in the scheme of things, I cant be bothered commenting on that aspect as its sidetracking from the discussion. Maybe someone else can pick up that discussion.
GW

Geewillakers GW and youve got the gall to call Roberts post claptrap !!!!

My post was about the relevance of ideas raised on this site and how/why and who has to process said ideas,My post was as relevant to this thread as yours regarding how or why we should look at various areas of the process,As in it explains the process these ideas have to go through,If you didnt want us to have any input to your thread,You should have stated that in the original post,But of course if we aren't allowed input,Then we're not likely to follow the thread and therefore there'd be no point in it at all.

[Robert Taylor]

Agreed , a great post.
This thread is about how BSB have moved in a certain direction and has nothing to do with a "riders whim". Riders as a rule are not typically wanting to spend "as lttle as possible" - most infact are pretty clued up and realise what racing costs and what the levels of potential expenditure each class has. The point of this thread title is that the premier class (and maybe the 600 class) are the two most reveered classes we have - and it is therfore probably reasonble to take a position of view that the more simple and achievable we make the rules to allow competitors to compete then the more successfull the class might be.

The rest of Billys comments are about KB and the position it takes in the scheme of things, I cant be bothered commenting on that aspect as its sidetracking from the discussion. Maybe someone else can pick up that discussion.
GW

The two classes ( irrespective of any sidetracking'' claptrap '') are in fact very well subscribed. With respect to 600 it needs to morph back into one class, close to what it was. With the 1000s maybe closer to a ''Superstock'' engine rule as has been espoused by Kiwi Graham.
I still say that relevant to population its amazing how many bikes we put on the grid. That alone tends to blunt the arguments of those who want the classes to be as cheap as chips.

[codgyoleracer]

Geewillakers GW and youve got the gall to call Roberts post claptrap !!!!

My post was about the relevance of ideas raised on this site and how/why and who has to process said ideas,My post was as relevant to this thread as yours regarding how or why we should look at various areas of the process,As in it explains the process these ideas have to go through,If you didnt want us to have any input to your thread,You should have stated that in the original post,But of course if we aren't allowed input,Then we're not likely to follow the thread and therefore there'd be no point in it at all.

Your input and others that count is very much valued Billy.
However if you wish to start a thread on the relevance of KB and the information on it for MNZ - then go ahead and start one, (although you may get a slap from some for doing it.... :-) )

I felt the BSB Superbike experience was relevant - thus the thread header. The control tyre factor in that series is another huge "dont mention the elephant in the room" factor well worth discussion as well aye. Comments ?

[slowpoke]

Your input and others that count is very much valued Billy.
However if you wish to start a thread on the relevance of KB and the information on it for MNZ - then go ahead and start one, (although you may get a slap from some for doing it.... :-) )

I felt the BSB Superbike experience was relevant - thus the thread header. The control tyre factor in that series is another huge "dont mention the elephant in the room" factor well worth discussion as well aye. Comments ?

It is absolutely a relevant and worthwhile discussion.....pity you didn't follow the correct channels so the headmaster could check your handwriting young fella!

[Robert Taylor]

Your input and others that count is very much valued Billy.
However if you wish to start a thread on the relevance of KB and the information on it for MNZ - then go ahead and start one, (although you may get a slap from some for doing it.... :-) )

I felt the BSB Superbike experience was relevant - thus the thread header. The control tyre factor in that series is another huge "dont mention the elephant in the room" factor well worth discussion as well aye. Comments ?

It is absolutely a relevant and worthwhile discussion.....pity you didn't follow the correct channels so the headmaster could check your handwriting young fella!

Control tyres ????

Control exhausts ????

Control ECUs ????

Etc etc, ad infinitum.

Variety of choice is spice, these classes dont need dumbing down too much. This is not only about the riders, its also about the engineering.

[Tony.OK]

Control tyres ????

Control exhausts ????

Control ECUs ????

Etc etc, ad infinitum.

Variety of choice is spice, these classes dont need dumbing down too much. This is not only about the riders, its also about the engineering.

Control suspension?....................................... ..

Whats the prob with control tyres Robert? Mass buying would surely make the most expensive consumable cheaper? Seems to be very very common around the globe these days.