I thought I was wrong once but turns out I made a mistake!Originally Posted by jellywrestler
Fully qualified Sifter.
I thought I was wrong once but turns out I made a mistake!
Fully qualified Sifter.
Bet they don't either. But I also bet the importers would know their suppliers well enough to know that your scenario is highly unlikely.
Ian...did Yokohama ever do a dirty on you and unload total shit on you? In all of them I used over the years...I got one that was ever so slightly out of round (I know that in theory isn't possible). The rest...as they were supposed to be.
Forum whore
There's a lot to like in what Andrew wrote back then. So much of what he wrote is still absolutely on the money and deserves further discussion and active pushing.
The 3 shorter races (qualifying and 1 race on Saturday, 2 races Sunday) vs 2 longer ones on Sunday would certainly give spectators more incentive to come through the gates on a Saturday, and spectators we desperately need.
It's hard to see a negative with the championship/machine spec alignment with Oz. It seems such a waste to have an awesome proving ground on our doorstep going to waste, especially the way they keep sending young riders out into championships around the world. It's got me buggered why more young Kiwi racers don't head over there, they can even make decent coin while they are there. Some reciprocal arrangement, with class champions heading each way for say our GP or TT meeting and their way for the WSB round would be something worth working towards?
There's plenty more worth rehashing from Andrew's post but this'd end up a novel too.
Re the spec tyre discussion: I'm suprised by some of the "what if X goes wrong" type thinking.....much of it is absolutely no different to the situation we have now. Most, if not all the main contenders have tyre contracts already, what's to stop a fuck up in delivery now vs under a single supplier rule? As it stands we all put in our orders well before the end of the year saying how many tyres we think we'll be using. How is that any different under one supplier vs several? And good luck rocking up to your local tyre shop and trying to buy a set of Ntec's if you have used your allocation or aren't a sponsored rider. If you're gonna look at all the things that could possibly go wrong you'd never get off the couch let alone go racing.
I'm kinda thinking that too much emphasis is being placed on machine spec and inspection in talks regarding a more stock formula. I don't mean from from a safety point of view, I'm all for full scrutineering, especially at the more poorly prepared club level, but more at the Nationals tech/spec policing. Would it really be that big a deal if someone wants to rev a bike 750rpm over redline rather than the prescribed 500rpm? Unless folks are gonna disregard the rules entirely and go hell for leather a more stock formula would guarantee that any gains from cheater builds would be fairly minimal (without obvious cams, headwork, big compression), as opposed to the situation now where the difference in hp across the field is huuuuge.
Hardcore Biker
Not the dirty they were Japanese after all and were quick to replace anything that was needed. BUT , the bank was the problem ;-) we had to pay for the stock up front by Letter of Credit , so we already outlayed the money and we were the ones out of pocket , the bank didn't give a rats arse. But anyway in the whole time the most we ever had was a tread separation problem and that was on model of Road Tyre! They replaced these but they never carried stock remember they made to order,so we had to wait three months before that shipment was replaced.
But no , but done the dirty by riders-YES. BUT , no way was everyone like that. Riders just have to remember and realise that behind all sponsorship there is generally a business , which must come first.
Just to say don't pay for them is easy to say , I can only say how it was in our day , we had already paid out before we got the product , so regardless even if you had a problem the distributor is already out of pocket before any solution is found.
Forum whore
christ Ian no wonder you wer yawning it's not even 7 am when ya posted that!
Forum whore
Oops sorry! I forgot the MNZ axiom: riders are to be seen and not heard, and only ever speak when spoken to. Opinions? Don't be so fukn stupid, if we want 'em we'll give 'em to ya.
Oh yeah, I don't suppose the tyre business stories from decades past come in a boxed DVD set? No? Bugger.....
Hardcore Biker
Simple Tony , anyone that knows me knows I'm pretty easy to get on with , but the continual going over the same old stuff that has be talked about time and time again , is enough to wear anyone down. The continual I know this and that and yet when we have a riders forum like at Palmerston North a couple of years back only a select few bothered to even turn up. Discussion is good of course and yes new ideas are great , but the same over and over.... By the way I was pretty worked up about it , as you can tell and after a few hours to think about it I'm going to do a very -Un Kiwi biker thing. I apologise to slow poke for my out burst and calling him a plonker etc and yes for Yawning (But it was early morning)Holy crap.......................
So someone that does make the effort to get racing and support the Nats as much as they can posts some thoughts how their view of things are, and gets "yawned" at by you Ian, then you expect a civil reponse?
Is no one getting enough sleep around here or something? I don't see why just talking about ideas evokes so much attitude, sure its prob all been hashed out in the past, but some ppl weren't there then....................discussion should be a good thing!!. But I don't take back my views.
Fully qualified Sifter.
Fuck that. You'll start a trend!
Hardcore Biker
LOL Bastard look what you made me do Pete .
Glen Williams
Simple Tony , anyone that knows me knows I'm pretty easy to get on with , but the continual going over the same old stuff that has be talked about time and time again , is enough to wear anyone down. The continual I know this and that and yet when we have a riders forum like at Palmerston North a couple of years back only a select few bothered to even turn up. Discussion is good of course and yes new ideas are great , but the same over and over.... By the way I was pretty worked up about it , as you can tell and after a few hours to think about it I'm going to do a very -Un Kiwi biker thing. I apologise to slow poke for my out burst and calling him a plonker etc and yes for Yawning (But it was early morning)
The question i suppose is why are these things re-visited over and over again? , -probably becuase some think that there may be merit in the ideas. Are any of these ideas new? - NO. Are any of the main points of this discussion really left field? - NO
The rider forum in Palmerston north was a great concept, however we were all reminded at least twice during the proceedings that none of what was being discussed was proposed for the current agenda and there was virtually no constructive response from the front desk/panel on a number reasnobly direct questions or ideas. One of the most vocal was the slightly greying asian looking chap at the back of the room without a race license :-) (but now ITS ME swaying off subject :-) )
The road race commison was another good idea (in theory) , but their mandate appeared to be written on piece of toilet paper - and thus a bunch of very good people with some pretty good ideas got flushed down the toilet.
The very existance of both the riders froum and also the road-race commision would suggest that the powers to be actually do realise that they need more rider input............. But when it comes to following through on whats suggested,then well.........
This KB forum allows one to speak one's mind and place it into public view. It is effectivley "neutral ground" , - IMO it has a part to play in the scheme of things - even if only to bounce hair-brained ideas around and maybe plant a seed or two in someones head that may have the position or skills to take it further.
The NZ Superbike series is looking like most of the riders will be back this year, and even Yamaha reckon they can maybe scratch up some funds , - but no word from Honda yet ? - This begs the question why are they finding it hard to do and how can we make it easier /more attractive for all involved. Hence the thread title and the key points within that championship.
Hardcore Biker
James Smith on Honda , the road race commission is still part of MNZ see MNZ website. Just the commissioner is the boss and has the final say.
KB Chief Cat Herder
People are free to say whatever they like on this forum provided
- it is not abusive
- they don't display a pattern of behaviour that could be interpreted as abusive
It's easily accessible to a very wide range of people, not just racers/MNZ members etc but also people who are interested in spectating at races, people who have been thinking about getting into racing, people who just like motorbikes and many others.
Also, for those that don't wish to get directly involved (don't want to get into the daily muck raking that goes on around here for instance) they can contact me and I'll post their messages for them (unchanged and attributed to that person provided they are able to prove they are who they claim to be), for instance something along the lines of Commi's Corner or some other arrangement.
KB is well suited to airing ideas and discussing things.
Zen wisdom: No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously. - obviously had KB in mind when he came up with that gem
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
Registered User
Really Spud,Don't know where on earth you picked up that load of utter claptrap,But I can tell you it wasn't from me and I am the person all your wonderful ideas come to first!!!
Forum whore
If it came down to it and it was your call to make, what would you do? Someone really has to make a decision and I wonder if that is too many need to agree in order for anything to happen. Sounds somewhat like Govt. For every idea there is an opposing one and if anyone goes ahead and actually does something 100 members will criticise the decision.
Can anyone say, "We have taken everyone's views into account and this is what is going to happen."?
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
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As I stated earlier,None of the changes suggested on here have even been discussed by the commission at this stage,So its not really even an issue for me yet,
When I got landed with the job of roadrace commissioner,It was put too me by the board that I would be a one man commission and have total control over roadracing,I didn't think it was a job one person could or should handle so I kept the other commission members on as they have between them 120 years of experience and multiple national titles,On top of that I have another group of very experienced ex competitors/Team managers I also confer with as well as the board at MNZ and the distributors,But as you say,If I think something is going to be unworkable or create unecessary conflict i will make a decsion,IE 850 twins in Supersport earlier this year,The decision to defer that to 2014 was mine alone after listening to everybody.
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