Well that really is good news, if you have the support of the manufacturers then it could be a goOriginally Posted by Billy
Forum whore
Well that really is good news, if you have the support of the manufacturers then it could be a go
Hardcore Biker
maybe that should have been the same approch to you a couple of weekends ago....
Growin' up as a kid, always thinkin', you know If I could ever just race motorcycles and make a living that would be the coolest thing know to mankind.
Forum whore
Is that the best you could come up with?maybe that should have been the same approch to you a couple of weekends ago....
That.....answer's.....my.....question....
Hardcore Biker
thought id better keep it basic for you just in case you got confused.... as that seems to be something you do easily....shall i go on??
Growin' up as a kid, always thinkin', you know If I could ever just race motorcycles and make a living that would be the coolest thing know to mankind.
Forum whore
Thats better!
Hardcore Biker
Why would we want to change things when we had an increase in Superbike grids in NZ since the current rule was introduced . It beggers belief that contemplate killing/changinga class that is successful , yet keep a class like Pro Twins which has been stagnant since the first year after it was introduced. We gave people a chance to have stock and they didn't go there. The idea was that bikes could be used for more than one year , so the cost of investment would stretched over several seasons , riders could build a bike and improve it year on year , with out having to purchase or in the distributors case minimise the number they would give out new every year. The argument of cost is that if you need to have lastest stock bike every season then it will be more expensive overall. To prove the theory while Bugden and Stroud may have a new bike this year , John Ross and Dennis Charlett will also now be out there on last years machines , both Suzuki's and as I understand so will be the Honda's , so the field is kept stronger. On the subject of cost cutting I agree with some areas , but back to stock I'm not. This year you can use aftermarket discs and Radiators as I understand it. I understand the oem discs are silly money and aftermarket much cheaper , as for the Radiators I'm not sure (thats probably because of my lack of knowledge there).
Cheers
Ian Dawson
MNZ Road Race Co-ordinator 2013
Low personal B.M.E.P.
The first rule for a motorsport in an economic recession is "don't obsolete what you've got"...
If you do want to go to a stock formula you've got to give a long lead time in order for the current machinery to reach the end of their use cycle. When replacements are required, that's when you change formula.
I reckon about 3 years from this season.
And no, I personally don't agree with it as "stock" leads to more arguments than wide open regs.
Forum whore
Yes and Superstock 600 is hardly a runaway success......Look at the size of the Supersport 600 field in comparison.In the financial climate we are in 'worldwide' why we arn't running stock bikes astounds me.
I and about three other built stock 1000's for the 2010-11 series I ended up running the last two rounds on my lonesome.
Minor mods, pipe, suspenders, piggyback plug and play ecu and a tyre rule and lets go racing
It looks like the most expensive class ( Superbike ) is one of the very best subscribed, go figure. Per head of population we do extremely well with the number of Superbikes we put on the grid, go figure.
But yes there is merit in what you say but all tyre manufacturers should be allowed to compete.
I think there has to be care taken in not dumbing things down too much as for the engineers it becomes a nightmare. For example irrespective of what you put inside them modern production Superbike forks are ridiculously light and flimsy. If you compare to a true Superbike racing fork i.e works level Showa and Ohlins there is a LOT more metal in strategic areas so that the bloody things dont flex too much, bind and cause chatter. The amount of deflection that occurs with oem forks is ridiculous. Moreover they distort very easily as has been found out when combining with aftermarket handlebar clamps that arent round when they are done up, causing fork bind at near to full closed position. Im not advocating that aftermarket thoroughbred fork sets should be made legal, Im just highlighting that if you dumb down the rules too far setup issues become a real nightmare.
ELECTRONICS. We actually need more of and when we have models like the ZX10 with sophisticated electronics ( and doubtless more makes and models to follow ) its then kind of bizarre that you could liberate the use of those electronics on the road ( or for trackdays ) but there might be some cavemen that say ''you cannot race with that" Electronics play more and more of a part in our everyday lives, why should it be any different with motorcycles?
We have electronic ignition and have had for years, Im old enough to remember contact breaker points, they sucked
We have electronic fuel injection which you can remap with a laptop and interface. Thats what the modern generation understands. Carrying around needles and jets for flatslide carbs and pulling them out and then apart to reset was a tedious operation that most sane people would not go back to
More electronic controls is in most cases a partial or whole substitute for what we did with mechanical controls, its called progress. In spite of this the talented riders will still be at the top of the tree, apples for apples.
No intent here for people to indignantly reply, there just has to be a balance and at present given the size of the fields I believe its not too far off the mark.
Hardcore Biker
Also Glen , how many season's have you and Terry run those SV's , why would you want a class where you would have to purchase the lastest and greatest every year just to stay half competive we had that in good times , but not in the new world . I'm all for cost cutting or re-alignment in some form and in the long run it doesn't effect me anyway as I long past my use by date for racing. But then the experts on here all know better . It wouldn't be KB would it
Glen Williams
Why would we want to change the rules?, We' re not, the topic was how BSB have headed that way and after watching the racing the mix of bikes at the front and the mix of riders challenging Its a "re-freshing" spectacle
Protwin ? - whats that got to do with this thread........ NOTHING
Re purchasing the latest stock bike ?, Quite right why in heavens name would any distributer want to see even more bikes sold into this totally saturated market...........
Aftermarket discs ? , OEM off Ebay 2011 GSXR1000 $220 - $340 per set. OEM radiator for same $350 - $425........ , Can someone post a price for kit ceramic coated discs or kit radiators...........
GW
General nobody
2013 :-)
Glen Williams
Also Glen , how many season's have you and Terry run those SV's , why would you want a class where you would have to purchase the lastest and greatest every year just to stay half competive we had that in good times , but not in the new world . I'm all for cost cutting or re-alignment in some form and in the long run it doesn't effect me anyway as I long past my use by date for racing. But then the experts on here all know better . It wouldn't be KB would it
Mr Dawson
Should i have wanted to maintain the "investment" in my F3 bike (sorry superlite) that i was placing into my superbike, then i would quielty suggest you wouldnt have seen which way the 650 commuter bike went. On top of that , if i got someone who could actually ride it proper fast, it would have been an even larger gap.
KB is indeed full of experts, but i find it interesting how this site allows all sorts of folks to speak their mind and get their personal message out in public to more than just a small group of backslapping drinking mates
Hardcore Biker
Sport bikes are not selling for the Japs . BMW and Ducati yes , but take a look around the world . Racing does not sell bikes anymore, it use to many moons ago , but it is good for image and marketing , you should know that Glen ;-). You are correct this thread wasn't about NZ , but then you asked a question "are they on to something". My answer "probably yes , but we are talking coming down from WSBK spec machines after all. In NZ , well you know what I think now. See you all again at a race track , hope this season is a good one. Thanks for my once yearly rant on to KB.
Forum whore
If the aftermarket discs get purchased locally thereby supporting a NZ business and its employees then that would be a real positive.
I will be in the market for a glasshouse when I build a new house. Glenn, I will be making a point of buying it off you because you are a local NZ business employing locals, also because of the business you have done with me over the years.
Glen Williams
Good post, - however solid regs and proper technical checks have been wanting for a very long time, but Billy has a cunning plan !
Hardcore Biker
Robert you hit that on the head. Scratch my back etc and by that I mean pay for stuff and be loyal , it goes a long way. Pity many don't have that anymore.
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