Are the boys at BSB with their "stock" superbikes onto something?

[Deano]

Thats good news. Is the thinking, is by keeping costs down, this should in theory attract more to a class? As Choppa said, tyres are the largest expenses, limiting the number of tyres a rider can use per event would be a good start. Limiting what could be done to a bike and the amount of tyres per meeting is what attracted myself to 650 Pro Twin.

That's why I went down the pro twin path - it's affordable for me.

On the topic of technical checks - it would be great to have a HP limit and dyno the top three bikes at each meeting, as I understand they do in the UK.

That would sort out anyone 'bending' the rules.

[mossy1200]

Idd rather watch bikes I could buy race.
Idd rather the riders were payed and if you couldnt afford a Stroud etc you should invest in a 3 year deal with a new rider instead rather than 100k on a bike.
Fairings, can, fork internals and rear aftermarket suspension as per what avaliable to public only sounds good.

[RobGassit]

That's why I went down the pro twin path - it's affordable for me.

On the topic of technical checks - it would be great to have a HP limit and dyno the top three bikes at each meeting, as I understand they do in the UK.

That would sort out anyone 'bending' the rules.

It certainly is affordable. We put fuel in the tank and used Nick and Dans old Pirellis. It ran like a tractor all season. Swerve will tell you it has a pill in the tank, but the ol 99 chugged around all day long. It just needed a little love.

[SWERVE]

Its bloody expensive to get a hug by the hour these days

Dial 0800 me hug you long time $50.......

[Billy]

It certainly is affordable. We put fuel in the tank and used Nick and Dans old Pirellis. It ran like a tractor all season. Swerve will tell you it has a pill in the tank, but the ol 99 chugged around all day long. It just needed a little love.

If memory serves me correctly,That bike still holds the Pro twin lap record at Manfeild,Somewhere around the high 1.13s I thought.

[slowpoke]

Exactly and thats why we will PROBABLY never have a forum on the MNZ website.

Nah, any discussion is better than no discussion, Billy. Lose the nom de plumes and anonymity and all of a sudden most folks find their manners again.....I did say "most" didn't I?

C'mon on down from that complimentary MNZ penthouse suite and roll in the muck with the rest of us mate! I dunno if you did it as kid but I remember standing with bare feet (shoes were for "going out", not every day wear) in warm cow pats on cold mornings....KB inspires much the same feelings of disgust vs a peculiar warmth.

[Billy]

Nah, any discussion is better than no discussion, Billy. Lose the nom de plumes and anonymity and all of a sudden most folks find their manners again.....I did say "most" didn't I?

C'mon on down from that complimentary MNZ penthouse suite and roll in the muck with the rest of us mate! I dunno if you did it as kid but I remember standing with bare feet (shoes were for "going out", not every day wear) in warm cow pats on cold mornings....KB inspires much the same feelings of disgust vs a peculiar warmth.

Hahahahahaha!Penthouse suite,Not likely to find me in one of them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hahahahahaha!Penthouse suite,Not likely to find me in one of them.

How 'bout with your knob buried in a penthouse magazine then?

[Billy]

How 'bout with your knob buried in a penthouse magazine then?

Now your talking,Anyways I didnt mean any penthouse I meant an MNZ one

[Crasherfromwayback]

Now your talking,Anyways I didnt mean any penthouse I meant an MNZ one

My bad. I have this bad mental image now. An MNZ Penthouse.

[Shaun]

The problem with this statement is that if this is the common opinion then pretty soon all the rest of the NZ wholesalers will walk away from supporting the sport. It is complete and utter bollocks to have an expectation that the NZ importers will have everything on the shelf just waiting for some super star racer like you to come along who wants to pay nothing for it.... absolutely laughable...You say support those that support you...yet you will buy from overseas to save a few bucks.
Do you honestly expect importers to have fairings exhausts, rotors, and everything else you may or may not desire on the shelf and then sell it to you at next to cost...DREAMER!
The NZ road race champs used to get support from most if not all the major wholesalers, now we have 1 to 2 at best and the reason is because the racers do not support them...they buy from overseas because its a few dollars cheaper.

I know some things are significantly cheaper overseas and my rant does not apply to all.

Dont be such a wanker. If you could borrow money from an over seas invester at a lower interest rates than you would pay through a NZ BUISNESS EMPLOYING KIWIS, you fukin well would!!!!!!!

[Shaun]

If I have to burn bridges to stand up for myself so be it.

Like ya style

[suzuki21]

I have always supported the idea of only running Supertock 600 and Superstock 1000 classes and have voiced that many times before so this idea gets my vote.

A couple of points that I don't think have been raised yet though...

• It's worth mentioning that a race bike can sometimes be put back on the road and sold as a newish model road bike to help pay for the latest model for next season.
• I think this has been mentioned but it becomes more important to check that bikes are within the regulations when the rules about mods are tighter so this would have to be considered.

Also, there is very little prestige in the the stock classes at the moment because they just get lost amongst the faster bikes. After my first super stock 600 race, even I didn't know if I had won the race or not let alone any of the spectators.

Good point. Also only the people paying the bills should have a say in class rules not the ones sending them. And the top 5 in SBK or 600's would still be top 5 if on superstock bikes. MNZ should harden up and say "these are the rules for 2014 onwards" end of story. People with there own personal agendas will have to suck it up. Aaron Slight was all for the idea of Superstock since the std bikes are so good now days - but what would he know.

[suzuki21]

If I have to burn bridges to stand up for myself so be it.

Like ya style

Not so good if you are standing on the bridge though.

[codgyoleracer]

Good point. Also only the people paying the bills should have a say in class rules not the ones sending them. And the top 5 in SBK or 600's would still be top 5 if on superstock bikes. MNZ should harden up and say "these are the rules for 2014 onwards" end of story. People with there own personal agendas will have to suck it up. Aaron Slight was all for the idea of Superstock since the std bikes are so good now days - but what would he know.

Point 1, I Agree, And through my rose coloured glasses - It would we great if all those involved in the sport and running it were willing to listen and be supportive of any sensibly based, constructive ideas that are good for the sport as a whole. The veil of listening is there - But the outcomes are driven by many matters outside of what some might argue are not in the interests of the members. (although Billy is a fresh of breath air communication-wise)

Point 2, I am yet to have it sufficiently explained to me the reasoning behind running two standalone classes in little-ole NZ for the two premier classes. I personally have no agenda for asking for that explanation. I do understand "why" it happened - but i cant get a grip on the reasoning behind it.

Point 3, Agree on the top 5 finishers most likely not really changing much irrespective of the steed spec they are on (except maybe the order they finish in) Especially if (god forbid) a control tyre was introduced, which is the single most important cost control issue related to our sport.

One hassle with the concept is as J Holmes pointed out, - some brands within some model years will suffer if they are released in a more "road-spec" form of tune. This isnt neccesarily a problem for the competitor, but it appears to be a pretty big one for the distributer of said brand if/when they are affected. (please note my reference here is NOT brand specific as this could affect any brand)
But on that note, and with me being a medium sized business owner of many years, i can fully understand the distributer of a product being a little unsettled about their patrticular product being placed in that situation - However that is where point No1 comes into play.

(excuse the spelling) GW