Are the boys at BSB with their "stock" superbikes onto something?

[Maido]

Point in question, I was reading the other day that the new middle weight kawasaki will go back to the 636 cc rating, this means that they will more than likely release a rocket ship 600RR model just as they have done previously. No doubt this will be picked up for racing very quickly (the last one had some pretty aggressive race cams in it and was bloody quick), this probably isn't fair against the other "stock" brands. I suppose the counter argument is that it is a special edition which you aren't allowed to race, but that would exclude a manufacturer.

[codgyoleracer]

Point in question, I was reading the other day that the new middle weight kawasaki will go back to the 636 cc rating, this means that they will more than likely release a rocket ship 600RR model just as they have done previously. No doubt this will be picked up for racing very quickly (the last one had some pretty aggressive race cams in it and was bloody quick), this probably isn't fair against the other "stock" brands. I suppose the counter argument is that it is a special edition which you aren't allowed to race, but that would exclude a manufacturer.

Jeremy

By the kwaka RR, paint it in Southland Honda colours, plaster Honda all over it, go win a championship. (very few ppl will care whats under the clothes)

[Maido]

haha I like your style!

[The Chow]

Point 1, I Agree, And through my rose coloured glasses - It would we great if all those involved in the sport and running it were willing to listen and be supportive of any sensibly based, constructive ideas that are good for the sport as a whole. The veil of listening is there - But the outcomes are driven by many matters outside of what some might argue are not in the interests of the members. (although Billy is a fresh of breath air communication-wise)

Point 2, I am yet to have it sufficiently explained to me the reasoning behind running two standalone classes in little-ole NZ for the two premier classes. I personally have no agenda for asking for that explanation. I do understand "why" it happened - but i cant get a grip on the reasoning behind it.

Point 3, Agree on the top 5 finishers most likely not really changing much irrespective of the steed spec they are on (except maybe the order they finish in) Especially if (god forbid) a control tyre was introduced, which is the single most important cost control issue related to our sport.

One hassle with the concept is as J Holmes pointed out, - some brands within some model years will suffer if they are released in a more "road-spec" form of tune. This isnt neccesarily a problem for the competitor, but it appears to be a pretty big one for the distributer of said brand if/when they are affected. (please note my reference here is NOT brand specific as this could affect any brand)
But on that note, and with me being a medium sized business owner of many years, i can fully understand the distributer of a product being a little unsettled about their patrticular product being placed in that situation - However that is where point No1 comes into play.

(excuse the spelling) GW

People do listen Glen believe it or not , thats how we ended up with the two classes. The punters were saying we want cheaper cheaper racing , so rather than start a class where we would have a race with two bikes or one bike in it. It was decided to run them within the other classes , and which ever way the racers went as far as bike choice/spec then that would be the way to go and if fell over at least we had a class that was left un-affected. Well it worked didn't it? 1000cc didn't even get off the start line and 600's got two years. I'm big enough to admit I was wrong in supporting the change in 600 supersport , but at least we tried something! In reflection I now think there was nothing really wrong with original 600 Sports Proddie rules ,but at the time riders and people paying bills for that class were bitching about the costs. You just can't win. Oh and by the way , the superstock classes are still current , so there is still a chance to get the stock formula's going. The problem with having a position trying to help the sport is you get shit from the riders/supporters and then shit from the other side , it is an no win situation. If anyone out there wants to have a go , call Billy I'm sure he will be happy to have you help. Me I'm still here and not going anywhere , I just love motorcycles period , thats why i do it.

Cheers

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Point in question, I was reading the other day that the new middle weight kawasaki will go back to the 636 cc rating, this means that they will more than likely release a rocket ship 600RR model just as they have done previously. No doubt this will be picked up for racing very quickly (the last one had some pretty aggressive race cams in it and was bloody quick), this probably isn't fair against the other "stock" brands. I suppose the counter argument is that it is a special edition which you aren't allowed to race, but that would exclude a manufacturer.

Ahh yes but 'back in the day' manufacturers used to cover this issue with homologation specials such as the Honda RC 30-45, Kawasaki 750RR, Suzuki TL1000R & GSX750SP, Yamaha OWO1 etc they all did it so they met the superbike regs and could go racing.

[M1Motorsport]

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Moggy

[codgyoleracer]

People do listen Glen believe it or not , thats how we ended up with the two classes. The punters were saying we want cheaper cheaper racing , so rather than start a class where we would have a race with two bikes or one bike in it. It was decided to run them within the other classes , and which everway the racers went as far as bike choice/spec then that would be the way to go and if fell over at least we had a class that was left un-effected. Well it worked didn't it? 1000cc didn't even get off the start line and 600's got two years. I'm big enough to admit I was wrong in supporting the change in 600 supersport , but at least we tried something! In reflection I now think there was nothing really wrong with original 600 Sports Proddie rules ,but at the time riders and people paying bills for that class were bitching about the costs. You just can't win. Oh and by the way , the superstock classes are still current , so there is still a chance to get the stock formula's going. The problem with having a position trying to help the sport is you get shit from the riders/supporters and then shit from the other side , it is an no win situation. If anyone out there wants to have a go , call Billy I'm sure he will be happy to have you help. Me I'm still here and not going anywhere , I just love motorcycles period , thats why i do it.

Cheers

Hey if Billy is the fresh breath, - does that make you the bad breath ? :-)
Yip , I am in the same boat 'Motorcycles rock, and racing them rocks even better" , Still a worthwhile discussion though aye Ian.

[The Chow]

fucken right brother the best sport in the universe.

[Crasherfromwayback]

fucken right brother the best sport in the universe.

Till ya bounce on your head and end up eating hospital food. Then it sucks arse.

[RobGassit]

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Moggy

Who's Sloan Frost?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Who's Sloan Frost?

The one getting his botty smacked.

[The Chow]

Till ya bounce on your head and end up eating hospital food. Then it sucks arse.

Yeah mate , know what you saying . But the sponge baths are great

[Robert Taylor]

People do listen Glen believe it or not , thats how we ended up with the two classes. The punters were saying we want cheaper cheaper racing , so rather than start a class where we would have a race with two bikes or one bike in it. It was decided to run them within the other classes , and which everway the racers went as far as bike choice/spec then that would be the way to go and if fell over at least we had a class that was left un-effected. Well it worked didn't it? 1000cc didn't even get off the start line and 600's got two years. I'm big enough to admit I was wrong in supporting the change in 600 supersport , but at least we tried something! In reflection I now think there was nothing really wrong with original 600 Sports Proddie rules ,but at the time riders and people paying bills for that class were bitching about the costs. You just can't win. Oh and by the way , the superstock classes are still current , so there is still a chance to get the stock formula's going. The problem with having a position trying to help the sport is you get shit from the riders/supporters and then shit from the other side , it is an no win situation. If anyone out there wants to have a go , call Billy I'm sure he will be happy to have you help. Me I'm still here and not going anywhere , I just love motorcycles period , thats why i do it.

Cheers

Well summarised Ian. Its always a challenge to keep everything as affordable as possible but the ''line in the sand'' mustnt be moved so far that it creates real issues ( such as more crashing )............ because of the simple expedient of satisfying those that have unrealistic expectations of just how affordable it should be. If youve got a beer income but a champagne taste then really you should just be drinking beer. Or in other terms if you cannot truly afford to go 600 or 1000cc racing at a realistic and safe level, then you should choose a lesser formula.
Thats in no way intended to be callous in outlook, its simple economics. But anyway, as Ian said there wasnt much wrong with the old 600 sports production rules.

[budda]

People do listen Glen believe it or not , thats how we ended up with the two classes. The punters were saying we want cheaper cheaper racing , so rather than start a class where we would have a race with two bikes or one bike in it. It was decided to run them within the other classes , and which ever way the racers went as far as bike choice/spec then that would be the way to go and if fell over at least we had a class that was left un-affected. Well it worked didn't it? 1000cc didn't even get off the start line and 600's got two years. I'm big enough to admit I was wrong in supporting the change in 600 supersport , but at least we tried something! In reflection I now think there was nothing really wrong with original 600 Sports Proddie rules ,but at the time riders and people paying bills for that class were bitching about the costs. You just can't win. Oh and by the way , the superstock classes are still current , so there is still a chance to get the stock formula's going. The problem with having a position trying to help the sport is you get shit from the riders/supporters and then shit from the other side , it is an no win situation. If anyone out there wants to have a go , call Billy I'm sure he will be happy to have you help. Me I'm still here and not going anywhere , I just love motorcycles period , thats why i do it.

Cheers

The Most Rev Dr Mr Dawson is correct, the Commission members at the time made the decision to at least investigate how the Riders really felt by letting them vote with their feet, and without dis-enfranchising either side of the discussion.
And the ensuing seasons entry list illustrated their wishes at the time .........

The lightly modded stock proposition is a good one, but has a couple of fishooks in there that have been discussed over the last couple of years ( yes, we've been talking about this for at least that long - this is NOT a new overnight brainwave )

Billy is doing a great job of taking the idea further down the track, just dont take any perceived lack of progress as inactivity on his part

[Shaun]

RE TYRE USAGE

Check out www.formula-xtreme.com.au/ and look at rules for the 600 class

I think they are great rules helping keep costs down and as the race/practice/qualify milage is very simmilar, it may be a good thing for back home in SBK and 600z

The brand quality we have to use is SHIT though USA Ntec SUCK and the sizing is ridiculous, 125 front and 200 rear on 600z