*sigh* ok, here goes...

**anebv8** · 14th August 2012, 17:59

I swapped a car for a Honda VTZ250 knowing that the bike didn't go <----2nd mistake the first was Honda for a Honda

getting it home I tried firing it up,got a couple of little pops out the pipe. Knowing about cars,I checked the plugs, gettin good spark off the rear one,nothing off the front.

I was now getting excited , it started to rain so I heaved the beast on to the veranda,now I'm not getting any spark on either leads.

Can someone explain to my dumb ass how the electrical system works I.E..power goes battery..little thing by battery that goes click when pushing the starter lol and then to?? I'm guessing coils as they look like the ones on EA Falcon

cheers Noobie Kezza

**Drew** · 14th August 2012, 18:38

This is gonna be a fun thread.

The clicky thing is called a solonoid. It powers the starter motor.

It's a Honda, so there is a very good chance that the kill switch is off. That's by the throttle.

**bogan** · 14th August 2012, 18:45

Good spark on the rear, nothing on the front, I'd start by checking the front coil resistances against those for the rear. I had an VT250F2, and have worked on FGs also, not sure if they changed the engine by much between those models and the VTZ

I have a feeling they use separate pickups to trigger the spark to each cylinder, so that could also be a problem; as well as general wiring issues.

The 'clicker' thing (solenoid) will be near the coils, and will generally have the main fuse on it which passes power to the coils, but as drew says, it turns the starter motor on.

**FJRider** · 14th August 2012, 18:52

For the clicking to start ... I'm guessing the battery is either flat or buggered, either jump start with good leads (not the $5 warehouse variety) or get the battery charged up.

And try again.

**ducatilover** · 14th August 2012, 18:59

Originally Posted by Drew

This is gonna be a fun thread.

The clicky thing is called a solonoid. It powers the starter motor.

It's a Honda, so there is a very good chance that the kill switch is off. That's by the throttle.

Agreed.

Check the connections between battery and earth
Check the connections on the solenoid
Check the kill switch works
Check lead and coil resistance
If you're getting spark, the engine's obviously turning over and it's not the rotor/pick up on the crank.
A VTZ is rather old now, so I'd swap the coils around and see if you get spark on the front. I wouldn't be surprised it it has munted coils.

Check the wiring to the CDI/Igniter unit is all secure and that the unit itself looks intact (cracks, squahed or bulging)

**anebv8** · 14th August 2012, 19:04

Originally Posted by Drew

This is gonna be a fun thread.

The clicky thing is called a solonoid. It powers the starter motor.

It's a Honda, so there is a very good chance that the kill switch is off. That's by the throttle.

oh dear...how did I miss that

Thanks Drew

Got spark to both plugs now,but still wont start...oh well,tomorrow is another day

**anebv8** · 14th August 2012, 19:05

Originally Posted by FJRider

For the clicking to start ... I'm guessing the battery is either flat or buggered, either jump start with good leads (not the $5 warehouse variety) or get the battery charged up.

And try again.

it's just a quick click when first pushing the start button

**anebv8** · 14th August 2012, 19:08

Originally Posted by ducatilover

Agreed.

Check the connections between battery and earth
Check the connections on the solenoid
Check the kill switch works
Check lead and coil resistance
If you're getting spark, the engine's obviously turning over and it's not the rotor/pick up on the crank.
A VTZ is rather old now, so I'd swap the coils around and see if you get spark on the front. I wouldn't be surprised it it has munted coils.

Check the wiring to the CDI/Igniter unit is all secure and that the unit itself looks intact (cracks, squahed or bulging)

I swapped the leads around,got spark at both plugs now but the front seems to have less spark,is this the norm or be best to get a new lead?

**awayatc** · 14th August 2012, 19:09

spark + fuel = combustion

Start ya bastard (ether) may help.....?

**ducatilover** · 14th August 2012, 19:12

Originally Posted by anebv8

I swapped the leads around,got spark at both plugs now but the front seems to have less spark,is this the norm or be best to get a new lead?

If it's getting spark at both ends, turn the fuel tap on and see if it's flowing well (you may need to suck on the small diameter vacuum line to get it to flow)
Also make sure that vacuum line is hooked up to one of the intake rubbers, usually on the front cylinder

I'd replace the leads and plugs anyway

**FJRider** · 14th August 2012, 19:26

Originally Posted by anebv8

it's just a quick click when first pushing the start button

Battery is dead (or dead flat) or solinoid switch is buggered (not entirely unknown). Charge/test it and try again.
It being an older bike ... down a bit in compression, it probably needs to be turned over pretty quickly to start.
It may be able to be push started (Or ... hill start) easily as the plugs are taking all the available power on starting. (No drain in power from the starter motor) Find a fit mate to help push (or a big hill)

And ... try only one fix at a time. You then have a better idea if the fix is working ... or not.

If the bike has been sitting and not going for a while ... it could be the petrol thats FLAT ... Give it fresh stuff if you haven't already.

**anebv8** · 14th August 2012, 19:39

Originally Posted by ducatilover

If it's getting spark at both ends, turn the fuel tap on and see if it's flowing well (you may need to suck on the small diameter vacuum line to get it to flow)
Also make sure that vacuum line is hooked up to one of the intake rubbers, usually on the front cylinder

I'd replace the leads and plugs anyway

strong sell of petrol so I think I just flooded it lol would be good to see the flames come out the pipe

**anebv8** · 14th August 2012, 19:41

Originally Posted by ducatilover

If it's getting spark at both ends, turn the fuel tap on and see if it's flowing well (you may need to suck on the small diameter vacuum line to get it to flow)
Also make sure that vacuum line is hooked up to one of the intake rubbers, usually on the front cylinder

I'd replace the leads and plugs anyway

I did see a small line hanging around by the front lead..mmmm...DAMN YOU DARKNESS ...poor torch wont take much more lol

**anebv8** · 14th August 2012, 19:43

Originally Posted by FJRider

Battery is dead (or dead flat) or solinoid switch is buggered (not entirely unknown). Charge/test it and try again.
It being an older bike ... down a bit in compression, it probably needs to be turned over pretty quickly to start.
It may be able to be push started (Or ... hill start) easily as the plugs are taking all the available power on starting. (No drain in power from the starter motor) Find a fit mate to help push (or a big hill)

And ... try only one fix at a time. You then have a better idea if the fix is working ... or not.

If the bike has been sitting and not going for a while ... it could be the petrol thats FLAT ... Give it fresh stuff if you haven't already.

it has been sitting around 2 months...first thing I done was put fresh gold,I mean petrol into it