Employment issues question.

[FROSTY:Me]

This exact conversation was had a few months back in a dive forum. In that situation person A was a dive instructor.
Then feedback was that the boss likely wouldn't personally take offence.
Where it gets tricky is that Dive shops are in a highly competative industry.The image of the company is reflected in its staff.
If the impression could be taken by the public that the shop is run by gang types etc with tats it could affect the company financially.
I guess thats how I would feel as the boss of A if they were in a visable public service role.
I would not employ a salesman with visible tattoos. Again not that I have issue with them but because the public might

[short-circuit]

Taking offence is seldom a choice,it tends to be a subconcious reaction.
It's like fear,,,I have full body Tattooing and I see fear in some people now and then.
Even though they don't know me their still reacting on a subconcious level to inbuilt fears about people that have tattoos.
There's little choice involved until they get the oppertunity to really decide for themselves weather that fear is justified.

Personally I work at not getting in other peoples faces about this for the reason that my tatts were always my thing "not theirs" so my knowingly placing them in a position where they feel uncomfortable is pretty disrespectfull coming from somebody that understands exactly what's going on.

Of course there's other times when they can be a passport to not getting your face punched in on the spot,,which also happens.

People are funny critters.

Fear is not the same as taking offense. Fear is a primary emotional response, the latter is a choice based on one's attachment to particular values. You don't like tattoos? Look the other way.

[FJRider]

Fear is not the same as taking offense. Fear is a primary emotional response, the latter is a choice based on one's attachment to particular values. You don't like tattoos? Look the other way.

We all have the right to not to put up with things we dont like ... as do employers.

To ignore the values of your employer ... will not always be in your own best interest.

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We all have the right to not to put up with things we dont like

Not necessarily. There's this concept, its called tolerance. Suck it up.

To ignore the values of your employer ... will not always be in your own best interest.

Rightly or wrongly, can't argue with that

[tigertim20]

Fear is not the same as taking offense. Fear is a primary emotional response, the latter is a choice based on one's attachment to particular values. You don't like tattoos? Look the other way.

how about you fuck off, and send back the real short circuit, we knew you were an imposter the minute you made a post like the above that makes sense.

second thoughts, maybe we can just keep the new SC?

[Road kill]

Not necessarily. There's this concept, its called tolerance. Suck it up.



Rightly or wrongly, can't argue with that

So where's your tolerance ?
Or is that just something others have to give you ?

Like I said,,people are funny critters,,,some are even blatant hypocrites like you .

Yeah,,suck it up aye mate.

[FJRider]

Not necessarily. There's this concept, its called tolerance. Suck it up.

Tolerance is multi-directional ...

Rightly or wrongly, can't argue with that

Many will try ..... Rightly or wrongly.

[Akzle]

Of course there's other times when they can be a passport to not getting your face punched in on the spot,,which also happens.

really. you seem like such a lovely guy

[Big Dog]

Hey all, have a question which will no doubt turn into a shitfight, but here goes.

Lets say that person A has been at their job far ages (a year, ten years, doesnt matter) they are employed full time. Part of their work uniform is a short sleeved T shirt which they are required to wear at all times.

Person A has developed a taste for tattoos, and decides to get a sleevve. (for the uninitiated, a 'sleeve' is a tattoo that goes from the shoulder, and extends down the arm) It is their intention to have the sleeve go down to just below the elbow, NOT to the wrist, bit just past the elbow, by say and inch or so.
The tattoo they want, for arguments sake, is of a floral design, colorful flowers, we arent talking human skulls, swastikas and death shit, just a nice array of flowers and maybe the odd bird hiding here and there etc.


Lets say person A goes ahead with their tattoo, and heads into work the next day. what issues, if any, would you expect to encounter?
for the sake of argument, there is nothing whatsoever in person A's contract that says anything about tattoos, the only snippets of any relevance state that the person must be in clean uniform, and we cleanly and tidily presented at all times.

No, this has not happened yet, but a person I know may well be about to go ahead with exactly this scenario.
thoughts, opinions, whatever?

I have opinions from both sides of this fence, but they are opinions.
I don't have all the tattoos that I want because you never know what you will want to do for a living next.
I have one tattoo on my back and I know it has stopped me from getting at least one job in the pas because it was semi visible through a plain white business shirt that was part of the uniform.
I want more tattoos but I intend to keep them tattoos that can be covered by a conventional length polo shirt, not because I would be ashamed of my tattoo but because some employers are prejudiced and they will not always be honest.

I know when I was regularly hiring people several times I was encouraged by senior managers to find other reasons not to employ those with lots of visible tattoos.

On a lesser level some people will not even consciously know why but not want to employ the tattooed person over a "clean skin" of otherwise identical qualities.


Part of getting a tattoo or at least the decision to do so is the knowledge that you have to live with the consequences.

[scumdog]

I cannot give you a clear answer Tom - but what I CAN say is that NZ Police which is seen by many to be the epitome of represive staff rules/draconian work related regulations still allows full sleeves - and there's plenty of cops with clearly visible tats.

[Oakie]

a little bit further you might be able to see if shes been deflowered

Or if she's weed...

[gammaguy]

a little bit further you might be able to see if shes been deflowered

well she has got roses,so a few pricks are there already

[short-circuit]

I cannot give you a clear answer Tom - but what I CAN say is that NZ Police which is seen by many to be the epitome of represive staff rules/draconian work related regulations still allows full sleeves - and there's plenty of cops with clearly visible tats.

Of course - the biggest gang in the country. Drones sent to defend the property rights of the haves.

[Murray]

given the person, the job, and the significance of the tattoo intended, the job means two fifths of fuckall

Where do I apply??

[scumdog]

Of course - the biggest gang in the country. Drones sent to defend the property rights of the haves.

And don't you forget it!!!