I'm not sure I like 'plate reading technology'

**cave weta** · 17th August 2012, 09:16

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/new-...minals-5029202

In Britain, the gas stations have this and if you turn up in an unregistered car you are automatically fined through the post.
They say that is not how it will be used but personally- I see an untapped revenue stream here.......

Welcome to the New World Order..

**bogan** · 17th August 2012, 09:22

Quick release number plates, pretty sure those systems won't be able to tell whether its on the 'right' bike, or that L300 plates don't belong on a Honda Bros

**schrodingers cat** · 17th August 2012, 09:24

Walked around the block near work with the dogs yesterday.
Started to notice rego's as we walked past.
Saw a lot of vehicles with expired rego and therefore prolly no WOF. Usually older cars but not always

So no contribution to roading/acc
No guarantee of minimum safety standards
No insurance

A vehicle is not a right. There are responsibilities. Otherwise take the bus

Life has fewer concerns if you don't behave like a cock

**pzkpfw** · 17th August 2012, 09:31

I'm in two minds.

On the one hand, yeah, just keep your vehicle legal (fully paid-up), and there's no problem for you.

But, such systems take away the kind of "fudge factor" that we expect as humans, not computers.

e.g. If your vehicle rego ran out and you're on your way to the (whereever) to buy a new label, I'm not too bothered by your brief moment of (gasp) illegal behaviour.

(Yes, yes, buy on-line...)

I would hope any automated system had some built-in handling for fudge. e.g. how long rego has been lapsed (2 months? one day?) and how often the vehicle has been spotted (1st time? 7 times this week?).

I'm more worried about average speed cameras. Snap you here. Snap you there. Calculate you must have been naughty in-between and send a speeding ticket. Yikes.

**bogan** · 17th August 2012, 09:31

Originally Posted by schrodingers cat

Walked around the block near work with the dogs yesterday.
Started to notice rego's as we walked past.
Saw a lot of vehicles with expired rego and therefore prolly no WOF. Usually older cars but not always

So no contribution to roading/acc
No guarantee of minimum safety standards
No insurance

A vehicle is not a right. There are responsibilities. Otherwise take the bus

Life has fewer concerns if you don't behave like a cock

So you're assuming no rego means an uninsured, unsafe vehicle? and no contribution to ACC? I can go along with the later, as at least some of those would be the owners only vehicle. But unsafe? fuck off, just because unsafe vehicles wouldn't get a wof, it doesn't mean any vehicle without one is unsafe, and no rego doesn't mean no wof anyway; I keep my bike wof'd so I'll only get half the non-compliance fine.

I guess if your opinion is shared by the sheeple then there will be a market for quick change plates. Personally, I'd prefer it stay about safety instead of revenue.

**pzkpfw** · 17th August 2012, 09:40

Reading another "bike stolen" thread, I do wonder if maybe a Police ability to know what vehicles were where at what time and where they went might be good.

(Big Brother? Again, two minds.)

**bogan** · 17th August 2012, 09:46

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

Reading another "bike stolen" thread, I do wonder if maybe a Police ability to know what vehicles were where at what time and where they went might be good.

(Big Brother? Again, two minds.)

Problem with that is the thieves will wise up pretty quick, and either remove the plates or swap them for some off another vehicle. Then all it is doing is recording the movements of the law abiding.

I think if it stays how they say they are doing it at the moment, with only vehicles of interest; stolen, people with warrant for arrest etc, it would be fine. Mind you, they had somebody on there who got done for no wof/rego, so maybe they are already telling porkies.

**SMOKEU** · 17th August 2012, 09:50

Originally Posted by schrodingers cat

Walked around the block near work with the dogs yesterday.
Started to notice rego's as we walked past.
Saw a lot of vehicles with expired rego and therefore prolly no WOF. Usually older cars but not always

So no contribution to roading/acc
No guarantee of minimum safety standards
No insurance

A vehicle is not a right. There are responsibilities. Otherwise take the bus

Life has fewer concerns if you don't behave like a cock

Having a current WOF does not mean that the vehicle is safe, or that it's going to be driven safely. I see plenty of vehicles which are legal, yet the driver is too busy using their phone or playing with the stereo to drive properly.

**oldrider** · 17th August 2012, 09:55

Originally Posted by bogan

Personally, I'd prefer it stay about safety instead of (ACC) revenue.

Getting a new warrant as soon as, so that I can re register my bike and ride it again legally ... can't do one without the other apparently!

This highway robbery has gotten quite out of hand these days, creating criminals out of otherwise law abiding citizens FFS!

**pzkpfw** · 17th August 2012, 09:59

Originally Posted by bogan

Problem with that is the thieves will wise up pretty quick, and either remove the plates or swap them for some off another vehicle. Then all it is doing is recording the movements of the law abiding.

True. Firearm licensing is like that. Honest folk jump through hoops. Crims just get the weapon and don't care.

**mashman** · 17th August 2012, 10:00

I wonder if they have "shape" recognition software onboard too... kinda pointless without it as bogan points out, just change/remove the plates.

**oldrider** · 17th August 2012, 10:10

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

True. Firearm licensing is like that. Honest folk jump through hoops. Crims just get the weapon and don't care.

True of any form of licensing ... this country is a criminals paradise!

**wharekura** · 17th August 2012, 10:12

Just pay your rego on time then there is no problem regarding getting caught out and paying a fine.

When the renters next door decide to have a loud party next door, I go outside early next morning and find any cars parked on grass verge or expired regos/wofs. I then call the council that happily give out tickets - they can be very obliging on saturday/sunday mornings.

I've talked to the neighbors, pleaded with them, then warned them - nothing worked. So I used the law.

**pzkpfw** · 17th August 2012, 10:35

Originally Posted by wharekura

Just pay your rego on time then there is no problem regarding getting caught out and paying a fine.

When the renters next door decide to have a loud party next door, I go outside early next morning and find any cars parked on grass verge or expired regos/wofs. I then call the council that happily give out tickets - they can be very obliging on saturday/sunday mornings.

I've talked to the neighbors, pleaded with them, then warned them - nothing worked. So I used the law.

I get what you are saying. I even sympathise. Used to have unemployed bogans across the road from me. All good that they could have a loud party at 2 a.m. Tuesday morning, but I had to go to work in a few hours.

But... given it wasn't the state of the cars themselves that was causing the problem here (the car with expired WOF wasn't itself the source of the loud noise), your actions were more about revenge.

You "used" the law; but not in a way that is relevant.

(The parking on the grass verge thing is more an issue to deal with.)