What a fucked up world

[Edbear]

i would always leave the bible out of these discussions as as both books the old and the new testament are full of killings, murder, gratuitous destruction of otherwise quite healthy people.

all that killing of first borns that never harmed any one comes to mind.

The question is simple, who are we to interfere with the wishes of individuals as to how they want to end their lives.
Anyone in the medical world who would be uncomfortable with rendering such a service need not apply for the vacancy. Surely there would be people, compassionate enough to offer the service as a standard medicinal practice.

Society is just to cowardly to allow for it, because it would end the sanctimonious claptrap of all live is holy. it isn't and it never was.

In deference to the discussion at hand I would be happy to discuss the Bible in the appropriate forum but suffice to say for now there is a huge amount of misinformation about what the Binle actually says about who did what and why to whom. Even the churches have got it stuffed up but that shouldn't surprise anyone.

[Ocean1]

No it is not simple and while you have the right to self determination do you have the right to ask someone else to kill you?

I could say I didn't plan on needing to ask someone to do me that service.

It'd be more accurate to say that I'd planned on not needing to ask.

Call it death insurance.

[Edbear]

I could say I didn't plan on needing to ask someone to do me that service.

It'd be more accurate to say that I'd planned on not needing to ask.

Call it death insurance.

That is exactly the problem this guy has.

[scumdog]

Funny how some cretins do all manner of shit risking death in the process and are surprised (briefly!) when it happens to them..

And here's a poor guy that needs it but can't find it.

[mashman]

The thing that really gets me is the negative and hypocritical attitude of, well if it has the potential to be abused, let's not allow it to happen. Well children, if you don't allow it to happen, we'll never know what the result is. Given the shit that people pull these days and get way with legally, assisted suicide, or whatever you want to call it, has the potential to be abused. However people will still murder and courts will still judge. If a medical notary signs it off, then I fail to see why assisted suicide cannot be made lawful given the professional diagnosis they will have made. The "negative" side will happen irrespective of the law, why punish those who want to take the most drastic of ALL measures especially if a professional consultation has taken place?

[blue rider]

In deference to the discussion at hand I would be happy to discuss the Bible in the appropriate forum but suffice to say for now there is a huge amount of misinformation about what the Binle actually says about who did what and why to whom. Even the churches have got it stuffed up but that shouldn't surprise anyone.

as i said, i leave the bible or any other so called holy book out of this discussion as they add no value.

the ethical, moral questions is also a common sense question.: Who are we, as a society, to decide that someone will have to suffer excruciating pain because we as a society deem it "murder/suicide" to have such a person decide on how and when and with the help of whom they want to leave.

Who are we to judge someone who is helping a dearly beloved to leave before the suffering becomes 'bearable' only with large doses of morphium and other otherwise illegal substances.

Who are we to condone such suffering in the name of society, and have so many ill, and sick people suffer and have their families be helpless, just so society can be pure in its decisions?

[oldrider]

With all due respect, given the opportunity to personally administer death to anyone such as this poor guy .... most of us would be found wanting!

Me personally, I could do the killing part quite easily ... it's the living there after that is a bit of an unknown ... it could go to shit on me.

So you can see in my case at least ... it's more about me than him!

Administering death in defence or anger is whole new ballgame, I think no sweat! ... complex bunch of cunts aren't we .... selfish too!

[Road kill]

With all due respect, given the opportunity to personally administer death to anyone such as this poor guy .... most of us would be found wanting!

Me personally, I could do the killing part quite easily ... it's the living there after that is a bit of an unknown ... it could go to shit on me.

So you can see in my case at least ... it's more about me than him!

Administering death in defence or anger is whole new ballgame, I think no sweat! ... complex bunch of cunts aren't we .... selfish too!

In the right circumstances,it wouldn't bother me in the slightest,after all it would be at the request of the individual and it would be ,,,clean and tidy as it were.

Killing somebody in anger, self defence,or by accident on the other hand would leave some serious ghosts to deal with for me.

I would always be left with the thought that I could of just run away,I could of done something differently,,,and anger,,well that speaks for it'self.

Complex sure,,selfish ?,,,well nobody else is going to paddle our canoe or deal with the flack if we tip out.

[Road kill]

The thing that really gets me is the negative and hypocritical attitude of, well if it has the potential to be abused, let's not allow it to happen. Well children, if you don't allow it to happen, we'll never know what the result is. Given the shit that people pull these days and get way with legally, assisted suicide, or whatever you want to call it, has the potential to be abused. However people will still murder and courts will still judge. If a medical notary signs it off, then I fail to see why assisted suicide cannot be made lawful given the professional diagnosis they will have made. The "negative" side will happen irrespective of the law, why punish those who want to take the most drastic of ALL measures especially if a professional consultation has taken place?

I was prescribed a drug that was totally incompatable with one I was already taking,,just last week.
It even said as much on the frigging box,,,yet this so called professional who had himself prescribed the stuff I was already on "just missed that".
I have no issue with the argument of being able to decide for ours selves.
But I'd be very carefull about just who the "professional consultant" was.

Funny story,
One of the lecturers on a training course I attended last year had only one leg,,so being the nosey cunt I asked how he lost the other one,,,"medical misdiagnosis".
Ok,,,,not so funny if it's your leg.

[mashman]

I was prescribed a drug that was totally incompatable with one I was already taking,,just last week.
It even said as much on the frigging box,,,yet this so called professional who had himself prescribed the stuff I was already on "just missed that".
I have no issue with the argument of being able to decide for ours selves.
But I'd be very carefull about just who the "professional consultant" was.

Funny story,
One of the lecturers on a training course I attended last year had only one leg,,so being the nosey cunt I asked how he lost the other one,,,"medical misdiagnosis".
Ok,,,,not so funny if it's your leg.

Tis a shame that these sorts of things happen and as you say sometimes mistakes are easy to make... all you can do is be glad that it didn't cost you your life. Several years ago my step mum was diagnosed with fibroid cysts despite breast cancer running in the family. 9 months later she woke on the saturday to see that her eye balls had turned yellow. On the thursday she died. Similar to my recently deceased step father... although he suffered for 9 months and at one point they couldn't figure out where the extra pint of blood they pumped into him had gone. They did find out when they removed a football sized tumour from the top of his stomach. The hospital lost his records and he dropped off the grid at one point, system issues they said... and the list goes on and all I could do was to listen as both my mum and dad told me of their experiences at the hands of the medical fraternity. Oddly enough though, both accepted that mistakes had been made... ra ra ra ra I'd go into my sisters issues with her first littlun but all turned out well, even if the cunt of a Doc put the fear of god into her, or my mums journey through the HRT alphabet of pills to take.

The only thing we can do is to do things better. Instead of this shot in the dark nonsense that we apply, I'd rather see us all baselined (every month maybe) so that when we do get ill the medical professionals will have a much clearer picture of what is likely wrong... hell they may even see it coming and prevention instead of illness will reign... but hey, that'd cost way too much money and human beings just aren't worth it.

[MSTRS:Me]

Obviously it's not a one-size-fits-all situation, but sooner or later, TPTB will have to stop being so fucking self-righteous and pass a law allowing 'assisted suicide'.
The ludicrous situation we have now (at least in hospitals etc) is a doctor cannot administer morphine (say) to kill someone, but they can administer as much as they like to treat the pain - knowing that the dosage will kill. How fucked up is that?
As for Edbear and his 'sanctity of life'...BULLSHIT. Change that to 'dignity of life' and the whole emphasis changes to something much more realistic and introduces the concept of 'humane' to how we treat humans.

[jasonu]

Fair enough. Know this about me.....

I have been affected personally and deeply by suicide

Was it your own suicide by chance?

[Katman]

Don't give up your day job.

[Maki]

With all due respect, given the opportunity to personally administer death to anyone such as this poor guy .... most of us would be found wanting!

Me personally, I could do the killing part quite easily ... it's the living there after that is a bit of an unknown ... it could go to shit on me.

So you can see in my case at least ... it's more about me than him!

Administering death in defence or anger is whole new ballgame, I think no sweat! ... complex bunch of cunts aren't we .... selfish too!

Those who are unable to do the humane thing and end his suffering are the ones found wanting and they are living in the there after and it has gone to shit on them.

Yes, we are very selfish indeed. We will condemn others do endure years of the most horrific suffering because it would give us a twinge if our perverted moral views were to be contradicted. Keeping people alive against their will in miserable circumstances is the greatest crime of our times. Advances in medical science have enabled us to do this, but sadly our moral compass has failed to keep pace...

[duckonin]

For some of us, the day may come where we wished we had thought with more foresight.

Go for a walk through some rest homes. Ahhhh. those very persons will tell you personally, "please let me go leave me alone". Then you stand back with compassion and nod your head.

Jezz if you were an animal 'and we all are' some person would put you down to put you out of your misery.

I am 100% in favour of deciding my own demise.