That 90 day employment thing

[mashman]

what the hell... I picked up a flyer for fairness at work. Seems there are several rally's on this weekend around the country...

Do you think the Unions are an outdated concept?

Personally i'd like to keep the unions, because they lend the weight of numbers and expertise to "your" cause (and you've already paid for it with your dues)... granted though, that kind of power can be used for both good or bad... I'd just rather not see them disapear and end up with a bunch of lawyers arguing the toss because some of "US" are unable to protect ourselves... we don't all have high IQ's, we don't all know our employment rights (they change all the time), we're not all confident enough to tackle our employer... this 90 day thing, holidays, sickness leave all up for "discussion"...

but hey, that's just my take

[dipshit]

Useless lazy bastards that don't bother turning up for work in time should be worried..!!!

[Oscar]

My last two employment contracts have included a six month out clause.

It didn't bother me.

[dipshit]

My last two employment contracts have included a six month out clause.

It didn't bother me.

If you have a half decent work ethic then it shouldn't be a problem.

For all those useless lazy drug-fucked twits it will be a worry.

[onearmedbandit]

The only people with anything to worry about are those you wouldn't want to employ anyway.

[onearmedbandit]

If you have a half decent work ethic then it shouldn't be a problem.

For all those useless lazy drug-fucked twits it will be a worry.

What has drugs got to do with it? I have managed useless lazy twits before have never touched drugs in their life, and equally I have managed highly efficient motivated people who do use drugs.

[mashman]

If you have a half decent work ethic then it shouldn't be a problem.

For all those useless lazy drug-fucked twits it will be a worry.

whilst I see what you're saying, aren't "those" people getting money from the state instead?

This policy has massive knock on effects. 1 being the eradication of unions from the workplace... well, legislated into having a role that is not legally recognised in the workplace... It's wrong.

In regards to sickness and getting a sicknote for a sick day off... wouldn't you think paying because you're ill is a wee tad OTT? especially when you factor in that you've taken an appointment, to get a sick note, that could have been given to someone that actually needed it... it's not like you can get an appointment at the Docs at the drop of a hat these days... How is that going to work? I can't see it being anything other than a millstone for the people of NZ and their health care system...

I agree that the 90 day limit really means nothing... if you have grounds to remove someone from your employ, then remove them irrespective of "notice" period... same old same old... so why the change it if there's no real need to do it? What purpose does it serve?

[dipshit]

I agree that the 90 day limit really means nothing... if you have grounds to remove someone from your employ, then remove them irrespective of "notice" period... same old same old... so why the change it if there's no real need to do it? What purpose does it serve?

It can be very hard for employer to get rid of someone that they don't want working for them.

People talk an absolute load of shit on their CV's and at the job interviews...

A dozen or so weeks of life in the real world reveals the real person and their work ethic.

An employer should be allowed to choose who they want based on how that person actually works compared to the bullshit in their job application form.

[Deano]

In regards to sickness and getting a sicknote for a sick day off... wouldn't you think paying because you're ill is a wee tad OTT?

Doesn't the employer have to pay for the Dr's visit, if they insist on a note ?

I also find it odd that you can't take a "mental health day" once in a while - stress is a recognised hazard in the workplace, so what if you take a day to relieve that stress from time to time.

As long as it isn't abused, like every second Monday off.

If you are entitled to so many days sick leave, you should be able to take them. Unlimited sick leave poses a problem but each case on its own merits and circumstances I reckon.

It's not difficult to see when people are taking the piss.

[Gremlin]

90 days applies both ways as well... I know employers that have had employees quit a few weeks in... recruitment isn't cheap, time spent giving them initial training etc.

Unions... pros and cons. Protect the little guys that would otherwise get shafted, but can also hurt the employees if they have unreasonable demands on the employer. Example, the unions force a pay rise. At $15 an hour, 200 jobs... at $20 an hour, 180 jobs... the unions just effectively got some people fired...

That said, there have also been good examples of unions working with employers...

[MisterD]

Do you think the Unions are an outdated concept?

No, but I do think it's time theey lost their special treatment. It's a problem when the top man of the largest one in the country is also the president of one of the two main political parties.

I'd like to see this government get on with their election promise to remove the unions' monopoly on collective negotiation. If half a dozen employees so choose, they should be able to get anyone they like to neogtiate on their behalf.

[Juzz976]

Unions are good as long as they don't start strikes all the time.

I'd be pissed if we had to go on strike with no pay for say 2 weeks to negotiate a pay rise and find that the rise doesn't even cover the loss of earnings for the 2 weeks.
No Union for my trade anymore, don't know if its a good thing because tradesman rates have fallen behind inflation chronically.

[mashman]

It can be very hard for employer to get rid of someone that they don't want working for them.

People talk an absolute load of shit on their CV's and at the job interviews...

A dozen or so weeks of life in the real world reveals the real person and their work ethic.

An employer should be allowed to choose who they want based on how that person actually works compared to the bullshit in their job application form.

It can be hard, but it is still possible.

Aye, employees lie on their CV's sometimes and employers extend roles and responsibilities of employees without adjusting remuneration... who's the bigger cunt?

Perhaps we should be removing the perceived "liability" over negative references... my god, that might give us a true picture of how a person works etc... nah, much easier to let the employer hire a useless twat that has lied their way in to the job

I thought that's what employers did anyway (interviewd for positions etc...)? surely they're not suffering in silence because that would make them out to be useless because they hired a fuckwit... taking one to know one

[mashman]

Doesn't the employer have to pay for the Dr's visit, if they insist on a note ?

I also find it odd that you can't take a "mental health day" once in a while - stress is a recognised hazard in the workplace, so what if you take a day to relieve that stress from time to time.

As long as it isn't abused, like every second Monday off.

If you are entitled to so many days sick leave, you should be able to take them. Unlimited sick leave poses a problem but each case on its own merits and circumstances I reckon.

It's not difficult to see when people are taking the piss.

I see that's how it works at the moment... it may well be that that's how it will continue (fingers crossed)... I hate rule changes they slide all sorts of extras in with their policies...

totally agree... aren't the policies and procedures currently in place good enough for the removal of "unruly" employees?

[schrodingers cat]

Wooooooooooo evil employers...

I think some of these union die-hards should put their money where their mouth is and have a go at starting a business.
Trust me - you get a whole other view on life when its your house (mortgage) tied to the business.

I agree there are some really shitty employers out there but likewise there is a shortage of employees with the right attitude. I found the best workers were those who had been in business at some stage and apprieciated the stress and risk the business owner takes.
In the early days they would get paid and I wouldn't.


Trouble is, currently minority groups get sooooo much airtime.
One bad employer = bosses explotation
Smacking kid = beating child to death

It is a really scary proposition as a small business employing someone. Doesn't take long for all your hard won gains to get frittered away by someone who only cares about their 'rights'