If you are scared of bullets

[SMOKEU]

Hopefully they would have taken out a few ragheads first. It affects us all. The more terrorists that remain, the more that infest otherwise civilized countries and spread their filth onto the rest of us. RIP NZ soldiers.

[bogan]

Anyway the soldiers are doing their job, they do know the dangers, they joined the NZDF to protect your freedoms and the freedoms of NZ, and our interests. If you disagree what our intersts are or your freedoms are, take it up with the people that sent them their, don't down our troops, but support them.

How do you support them, and try and bring them home? "You're doing a really good job guys, but just quit it, ok" Kind of mixed messages Its a democracy, weight of public opinion gets things done, you can't influence public opinion without a clear message.

[Hoon]

While it is a tragedy for the families concerned, the young men probably joined up for the subsidized trade training and the World travel.

They neglected to realise however that it is part of the basic job description of a soldier to kill or be killed.

Wrong but way to generalize based on what little you know. These guys are rifleman in an Infantry Battalion, not mechanics or chefs. They joined the Army to shoot people and get shot at - that is their trade. To say they have never once considered their own mortality even though the risks to this are thrashed into them on a daily basis is simply stupid.

[bogan]

Hopefully they would have taken out a few ragheads first. It affects us all. The more terrorists that remain, the more that infest otherwise civilized countries and spread their filth onto the rest of us. RIP NZ soldiers.

I know right, we can't let their discriminatory ideals influence paragons of morality like yourself

[SMOKEU]

I know right, we can't let their discriminatory ideals influence paragons of morality like yourself

I'm glad you understand.

[Maki]

Hopefully they would have taken out a few ragheads first. It affects us all. The more terrorists that remain, the more that infest otherwise civilized countries and spread their filth onto the rest of us. RIP NZ soldiers.

It will please the powers that be in the USA that all the billions of $ they spend on spreading lies, propaganda and dis-information are actually working.

If you want to get rid of terror and terrorists, then you must eradicate the root causes. War is one of them, injustice another, and so is the spread of lies and dis-information. Fighting a war on terror is like fighting fire by pouring gasoline on it.

[SMOKEU]

It will please the powers that be in the USA that all the billions of $ they spend on spreading lies, propaganda and dis-information are actually working.

If you want to get rid of terror and terrorists, then you must eradicate the root causes. War is one of them, injustice another, and so is the spread of lies and dis-information. Fighting a war on terror is like fighting fire by pouring gasoline on it.

Do you want to know what the root of the problem really is? Islam. That's the cause of all the war in the middle east and north Africa. Islam is an extremely violent religious cult which openly encourages hatred and violence toward non believers. Muslims are encouraged to wage Jihad (holy war) to non Muslims.

If you take a look at southern Africa, for example, those nations are all impoverished, but since Islam has not taken over as the dominant religion, those nations are relatively peaceful in comparison to the Islamic nations whose problems are fuelled mainly by religion.

[nudemetalz]

[bogan]

Do you want to know what the root of the problem really is? Islam. That's the cause of all the war in the middle east and north Africa. Islam is an extremely violent religious cult which openly encourages hatred and violence toward non believers. Muslims are encouraged to wage Jihad (holy war) to non Muslims.

If you take a look at southern Africa, for example, those nations are all impoverished, but since Islam has not taken over as the dominant religion, those nations are relatively peaceful in comparison to the Islamic nations whose problems are fuelled mainly by religion.

It will please the powers that be in the USA that all the billions of $ they spend on spreading lies, propaganda and dis-information are actually working.

In some its easier than others! I don't think we'll ever get the full story, that can only come from the people over there. And I think their best chance of giving that, is in a democracy encouraging freedom of speech.

[zique]

Do you want to know what the root of the problem really is? Islam. That's the cause of all the war in the middle east and north Africa. Islam is an extremely violent religious cult which openly encourages hatred and violence toward non believers. Muslims are encouraged to wage Jihad (holy war) to non Muslims.

If you take a look at southern Africa, for example, those nations are all impoverished, but since Islam has not taken over as the dominant religion, those nations are relatively peaceful in comparison to the Islamic nations whose problems are fuelled mainly by religion.

I think the root of the problem is the people practicing Islam,it is not the religion itself.These terrorists have been brain washed by some other religious fanatics to follow the koran,they use religion to wage a war to kill all who are non-muslims (Nigeria recently).
In other countries where muslims live,they do live peacefully because the leaders there encourage peace etc.It is the nutter islamic leaders that are the problem.

And while I agree our soldiers are doing a good job,it is so sad to see them die.One soldier told me what they think "either you kill the enemy or he kills you,but someone has to die"..
But in a war like that,with so many local victims (like in Afghanistan),when a family member is killed,even accidentally,the anger and loss felt by the family is used by the Islamic leaders to encourage them to avenge their family's loss,to kill the infidels...so really when one dies,another (or 10 more) replaces him.It is a never-ending cycle.

God Bless our soldiers though,where-ever they go,they do us proud

[SMOKEU]

I think the root of the problem is the people practicing Islam,it is not the religion itself.These terrorists have been brain washed by some other religious fanatics to follow the koran,they use religion to wage a war to kill all who are non-muslims (Nigeria recently).
In other countries where muslims live,they do live peacefully because the leaders there encourage peace etc.It is the nutter islamic leaders that are the problem.

They don't always live peacefully in smaller numbers. Don't forget about the London bombings a few years back. When they live in non Muslim majority countries, they import their extremist beliefs with them and demand that their religion is respected. Just look at the video below. An Islamic takeover of Europe WILL happen if the problem isn't addressed immediately. I guarantee it.

[imdying]

Wrong but way to generalize based on what little you know. These guys are rifleman in an Infantry Battalion, not mechanics or chefs. They joined the Army to shoot people and get shot at - that is their trade. To say they have never once considered their own mortality even though the risks to this are thrashed into them on a daily basis is simply stupid.

I think one was a medic, and I'm pretty sure that person didn't actually join to shoot people. I could be wrong, I'm just relating what a friend of theirs has said to me this morning.

[oneofsix]

I think one was a medic, and I'm pretty sure that person didn't actually join to shoot people. I could be wrong, I'm just relating what a friend of theirs has said to me this morning.

Looks like you are correct

Baker, from Christchurch, joined as a medic and went to the Solomons Islands in 2010. She received a chief of army commendation in 2011 for her professionalism and courage.

[Akzle]

....don't join the armed forces.
When the Country you are serving, is asked to align with other country's in a war torn area of the world, there is reasonable chance it won end well for all.
You can't run home just because you have lost a few points.
Stay and fight on for those mates that have fallen before you. Thats your job.
(directed at those who call to for the troops to be brought home)

The NZ solders serving overseas, are brave young men/women.

HEY.
if they're not over there securing pharmac's supply of heroin, who will?

you're not seriously suggesting that a government should PAY a FAIR PRICE for their drugs.. why else would we have an army?!

[Brett]

....don't join the armed forces.
When the Country you are serving, is asked to align with other country's in a war torn area of the world, there is reasonable chance it won end well for all.
You can't run home just because you have lost a few points.
Stay and fight on for those mates that have fallen before you. Thats your job.
(directed at those who call to for the troops to be brought home)

The NZ solders serving overseas, are brave young men/women.

I doubt many, if any, in the armed services would argue against you.

Edit - yes there may be agenda's behind this war that we don't all agree with, but let's not forget the attrocities that have been perpetrated against everyday people in nations like Afghanistan. Women and children mostly. Any nation where women have so few rights and are treated so incredibly badly deserve to have more powerful nations come in and fight for their justice. It's just a pity that their is so much other political bullshit in there as well.