If you are scared of bullets

[oneofsix]

Ex SAS friend of mine sent me this comment yesterday re the deaths.....he like many of his colleagues are finding it hard to see how re-con crew are on the battle lines as in the case of the last two deaths, when one soldier was killed after being sent to assist our SAS crew

"questions must be asked ....they have made so may experience people redundant over the last 2 years we are seeing the result of inexperienced commanders and sadly ) warrant officers who are only interested in career advancment than standing up to thier Colonels poor decisions ..as is there job ... rather than putting themselves in the position of being the moral compass for thier battalion commanders ---"

From that post I fear we are heading back to the situation that gave rise to the quote "c'est magnifique mais c'est ne pas la guerre" about a certain action. Currently the western world seems hell bent on recreating the type of society from that time.

It also answers why, suddenly, we have doubled the dead in just over two weeks.

[Tigadee]

What a load of shit, sci-fi doesn't drive that at all.

Some people have no sense of humour...

"What a load of shit again... Humour doesn't drive anything at all!"

[98tls]

Absolutely.


The question as to whtether, and what interests are served by them being there is the question though.

Have to admit i know next to nothing the hows/whys of our soliders being there but thought i heard on the news the other night that troops from the world over will be pulled out within 2 years?I have to ask what will be different in 2 years,the Taliban will still be there thats for sure and no doubt between then and now more will die so makes me wonder for what.Far from not respecting what our and other countries troops are doing i just struggle to understand what there dying for is all.The death tolls not getting any better far from it so in 2 years time everyone leaves,is the place going to be any better for all the lives lost?

[Road kill]

Build indoors and control that climate.
Build up so that the land is used most efficiently.
Use water from desalination plants to feed hydroponic gardens.

= fuckloads of food.

As for overpopulation... asking people to stop having too many kids might be a good start. Teaching kids at school that overpopulation has a bad affect on all things living might do the trick too... but why bother when there's war to be had and there's never enough money to achieve such a simple step forwards in evolution. Ditch the cash and it's ALL very doable!

China does that,,hasn't made them very popular an there's still millions of them.

Try it in NZ and it will only be the better educated and well off that will play that game,,and only because they can see a better life for "them" personally.
On the other hand "don't tell smoky this",,but us darkies will carry on rooting because it's cheap,it's fun,we're trying to increase our population,as a people we actually still own more land than the divided by greed white population,and we're getting more back every,day,month,year,,,and we hold the moral high ground with the world courts and the UN.
So have a nice day while you keep your cock in your pants mate,after all it's working pretty good for you so far aye.



Hey,,,,just joking,,,but think about it mate,,,you stop breeding an some other cunt will see you off this planet long before you see any benefit from it.

[Maki]

Ex SAS friend of mine sent me this comment yesterday re the deaths.....he like many of his colleagues are finding it hard to see how re-con crew are on the battle lines as in the case of the last two deaths, when one soldier was killed after being sent to assist our SAS crew

"questions must be asked ....they have made so may experience people redundant over the last 2 years we are seeing the result of inexperienced commanders and sadly ) warrant officers who are only interested in career advancment than standing up to thier Colonels poor decisions ..as is there job ... rather than putting themselves in the position of being the moral compass for thier battalion commanders ---"

What??? Then why do I keep hearing on the radio that the SAS was delighted to be there and wished they were back and the soldiers who are there want nothing more than to stay and are happy with their leaders? Wait a minute, is it possible that my radio is telling me lies???

My radio also tells me it will take 6 months to get the troops out of Afghanistan for logistical reasons. Is that true? Will they have to walk out or ride horses like the English did in the 19th century and then take sailing ships back to NZ??? I thought the NZ air force has a Boeing 757 which could take them all home tomorrow if that is what they really wanted. Is my radio lying about those 6 months?

A bit of history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1842_retreat_from_Kabul

"The Massacre of Elphinstone's Army was the destruction by Afghan forces, led by Akbar Khan, the son of Dost Mohammad Khan, of a combined British and Indian force of the British East India Company, led by Major General William Elphinstone, in January 1842.

After the British and Indian troops captured Kabul in 1839, an Afghan uprising forced the occupying garrison out of the city. The East India Company army of 4,500 troops, along with 12,000 civilian workers, family members and other camp-followers, left Kabul on 6 January 1842. They attempted to reach the British garrison at Jalalabad, 90 miles (140 km) away, but were immediately harassed by Afghan forces. The last organised remnants were eventually annihilated near Gandamak on 13 January.[2]

Apart from about a dozen high-ranking prisoners, including Elphinstone and his second-in-Command Brigadier Shelton, only one British officer from the army, Assistant Surgeon William Brydon, survived the retreat and reached Jalalabad."


"On 13 January, a British officer from the 16,000 strong column rode into Jalalabad on a wounded horse (a few sepoys, who had hidden in the mountains, followed in the coming weeks). The sole survivor of the 12-man cavalry group, assistant Surgeon William Brydon, was asked upon arrival what happened to the army, to which he answered "I am the army". Although part of his skull had been sheared off by a sword, he ultimately survived because he had insulated his hat with a magazine which deflected the blow. Brydon later published a memoir of the death march. The pony he rode was said to have lain down in a stable and never got up."

[mashman]

China does that,,hasn't made them very popular an there's still millions of them.

Try it in NZ and it will only be the better educated and well off that will play that game,,and only because they can see a better life for "them" personally.
On the other hand "don't tell smoky this",,but us darkies will carry on rooting because it's cheap,it's fun,we're trying to increase our population,as a people we actually still own more land than the divided by greed white population,and we're getting more back every,day,month,year,,,and we hold the moral high ground with the world courts and the UN.
So have a nice day while you keep your cock in your pants mate,after all it's working pretty good for you so far aye.



Hey,,,,just joking,,,but think about it mate,,,you stop breeding an some other cunt will see you off this planet long before you see any benefit from it.

all you can do is educate and ask. Rather that than out and out murder (war) and forced sterilisation (peace)... the later will be along soon enough if things don't change. Shame really... but I'll be damned iffen I keep the little fella from cave diving. Praps we'll get better at vasectomy reversal and men will choose it instead of popping pills or worrying about gettin trapped by psychotic women.

[Akzle]

Ok, so how many people will the earth support? Let's say the earth can support X...
Let's say the earth can support the number Y more comfortably...
Finally let's say that we find a population number Z...
Which of these numbers is most desirable? Why impose the misery and destruction X number of human beings would cause rather than the harmony and balance that the number Z would bring?...

but what about Q?!?
i vote Q.

i'm not entirely sure what your point was.
all white folk should kill themselves in good conscience?

if 100% of people on the planet abandon their greed (money, capitalism, commercialism) then shit can change, for everyone, for the better, in short order.

I know right, after the moon landing we have just gone bigger and better, oh wait

what moon landing?

Have to admit i know next to nothing the hows/whys of our
...what will be different in 2 years,the Taliban will still be there thats for sure

pretty much. i'm not sure if anyone knows why they're there. i keep hearing "we have to keep in mind why they're there" but no-one ever actually says what that is.

the thing is, if, say, america decides to stage a land based invasion/occupation of NZ, they'll be fighting every man, woman and child who can lay hands on a weapon. this is the situation they face there. the enemy isn't the army. the enemy isn't in battle fatigues standing up to face your attack. the enemy is everyone. the enemy is the guy with the AK behind his sofa. the baker with the shotty under the counter, the camel jockey with 20lbs of plastique. basically the locals are sending a pretty clear message (and have been for the last 15 years) to GTFO. you cannot win when you're fighting an ENTIRE country. y'think the divided states would have realised this with 'nam and there other "stop communism spreading" tirades.
for a long time NZ was differentiated. there were times in iraq when the "terrorists" would drive right past the NZ base, 20km up the road to attack australian/american ones. because we where there to help. it was known. it seems the situation has changed.
stupidity persists.

[mashman]

but what about Q?!?
i vote Q.

i'm not entirely sure what your point was.
all white folk should kill themselves in good conscience?

if 100% of people on the planet abandon their greed (money, capitalism, commercialism) then shit can change, for everyone, for the better, in short order.


what moon landing?

pretty much. i'm not sure if anyone knows why they're there. i keep hearing "we have to keep in mind why they're there" but no-one ever actually says what that is.

the thing is, if, say, america decides to stage a land based invasion/occupation of NZ, they'll be fighting every man, woman and child who can lay hands on a weapon. this is the situation they face there. the enemy isn't the army. the enemy isn't in battle fatigues standing up to face your attack. the enemy is everyone. the enemy is the guy with the AK behind his sofa. the baker with the shotty under the counter, the camel jockey with 20lbs of plastique. basically the locals are sending a pretty clear message (and have been for the last 15 years) to GTFO. you cannot win when you're fighting an ENTIRE country. y'think the divided states would have realised this with 'nam and there other "stop communism spreading" tirades.
for a long time NZ was differentiated. there were times in iraq when the "terrorists" would drive right past the NZ base, 20km up the road to attack australian/american ones. because we where there to help. it was known. it seems the situation has changed.
stupidity persists.

cannot spread rep again... but I'm white and I want to live. Can I get a brown/black pass on the killing myself thing please?

[FJRider]

cannot spread rep again... but I'm white and I want to live. Can I get a brown/black pass on the killing myself thing please?

Why ... have you had your 30 virgins already ... ????

[Swoop]

My radio also tells me it will take 6 months to get the troops out of Afghanistan for logistical reasons. Is that true? I thought the NZ air force has a Boeing 757 which could take them all home tomorrow if that is what they really wanted. Is my radio lying about those 6 months?

Yes.
Since it takes two C-17's to move a squadron in/out of 'Stan, then it would take many trips to move some of the regular forces around. Also their heavy equipment wouldn't fit in a 757.

Btw, our grey airline has two 757's.

[Brett]

What??? Then why do I keep hearing on the radio that the SAS was delighted to be there and wished they were back and the soldiers who are there want nothing more than to stay and are happy with their leaders? Wait a minute, is it possible that my radio is telling me lies???

My radio also tells me it will take 6 months to get the troops out of Afghanistan for logistical reasons. Is that true? Will they have to walk out or ride horses like the English did in the 19th century and then take sailing ships back to NZ??? I thought the NZ air force has a Boeing 757 which could take them all home tomorrow if that is what they really wanted. Is my radio lying about those 6 months?

A bit of history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1842_retreat_from_Kabul

"The Massacre of Elphinstone's Army was the destruction by Afghan forces, led by Akbar Khan, the son of Dost Mohammad Khan, of a combined British and Indian force of the British East India Company, led by Major General William Elphinstone, in January 1842.

After the British and Indian troops captured Kabul in 1839, an Afghan uprising forced the occupying garrison out of the city. The East India Company army of 4,500 troops, along with 12,000 civilian workers, family members and other camp-followers, left Kabul on 6 January 1842. They attempted to reach the British garrison at Jalalabad, 90 miles (140 km) away, but were immediately harassed by Afghan forces. The last organised remnants were eventually annihilated near Gandamak on 13 January.[2]

Apart from about a dozen high-ranking prisoners, including Elphinstone and his second-in-Command Brigadier Shelton, only one British officer from the army, Assistant Surgeon William Brydon, survived the retreat and reached Jalalabad."


"On 13 January, a British officer from the 16,000 strong column rode into Jalalabad on a wounded horse (a few sepoys, who had hidden in the mountains, followed in the coming weeks). The sole survivor of the 12-man cavalry group, assistant Surgeon William Brydon, was asked upon arrival what happened to the army, to which he answered "I am the army". Although part of his skull had been sheared off by a sword, he ultimately survived because he had insulated his hat with a magazine which deflected the blow. Brydon later published a memoir of the death march. The pony he rode was said to have lain down in a stable and never got up."

I stand to be corrected, but I think you have missed the salient point of the quote in alleycatz post. I don't think that the emphasis was on this alledged SAS trooper not wanting to be over there, but rather at the 'political' environment in which they must operate - ie the quote suggests that experienced staff are no longer with the force and that current command are making poor choices that are seeing reconstruction teams being sent to the battle lines of combat. The SAS know that it is in the environment of the front lines (and well behind them) that they are trained and supposed to operate, however reconstruction crews and roles that have large roles in helping civilians are not front line/combat oriented. This is the point I think was trying to be made.

[Katman]

we are seeing the result of inexperienced commanders and sadly ) warrant officers who are only interested in career advancment than standing up to thier Colonels poor decisions ..as is there job ... rather than putting themselves in the position of being the moral compass for thier battalion commanders ---"

Since when has it been the 'job' of troop commanders or warrant officers to "stand up to their Colonels poor decisions"?

[oneofsix]

pretty much. i'm not sure if anyone knows why they're there. i keep hearing "we have to keep in mind why they're there" but no-one ever actually says what that is.

the thing is, if, say, america decides to stage a land based invasion/occupation of NZ, they'll be fighting every man, woman and child who can lay hands on a weapon. this is the situation they face there. the enemy isn't the army. the enemy isn't in battle fatigues standing up to face your attack. the enemy is everyone. the enemy is the guy with the AK behind his sofa. the baker with the shotty under the counter, the camel jockey with 20lbs of plastique. basically the locals are sending a pretty clear message (and have been for the last 15 years) to GTFO. you cannot win when you're fighting an ENTIRE country. y'think the divided states would have realised this with 'nam and there other "stop communism spreading" tirades.
for a long time NZ was differentiated. there were times in iraq when the "terrorists" would drive right past the NZ base, 20km up the road to attack australian/american ones. because we where there to help. it was known. it seems the situation has changed.
stupidity persists.

Why we are there? because the Taliban were killing Afghans, especially woman and children, blowing up history and not wanted people the people but supported by the Al Qa'ida and some arab states. They were driven out and we were sent in to keep the peace and help rebuild. The people do respect and trust us because we are helping them rebuild schools hospitals etc but an education population is the last thing any totalitarian group like the Taliban want. Ironically the more our troops help the people and the more respect they get the more the Taliban will target the NZ troops.

The Americans etc do get target by more of the population because of the 'we know best' dictatorial attitude.

There needs to be an Afghanistan method of solution. No outside power has ever successfully controlled that country. My guess is that if the people of Afghanistan are given a level playing field the Taliban will be doomed but 'the west' doesn't like those sorts of solution because they are in control.

[Maki]

Yes.
Since it takes two C-17's to move a squadron in/out of 'Stan, then it would take many trips to move some of the regular forces around. Also their heavy equipment wouldn't fit in a 757.

Btw, our grey airline has two 757's.

What is more important, people, heavy equipment or the face of politicians? My point is that they could get all the people out tomorrow if that was what they really wanted and then they could fly as many C-17 missions in and out as it takes to get whatever heavy equipment they want to take back at their leisure. JK want's them to stay for another 6 months because it will make him look better and the military is happy to invent excuses to cover his ass. I guess that is their job since he is the PM.

[Maki]

I stand to be corrected, but I think you have missed the salient point of the quote in alleycatz post. I don't think that the emphasis was on this alledged SAS trooper not wanting to be over there, but rather at the 'political' environment in which they must operate - ie the quote suggests that experienced staff are no longer with the force and that current command are making poor choices that are seeing reconstruction teams being sent to the battle lines of combat. The SAS know that it is in the environment of the front lines (and well behind them) that they are trained and supposed to operate, however reconstruction crews and roles that have large roles in helping civilians are not front line/combat oriented. This is the point I think was trying to be made.

Thank you. I hope that the force will be kept within the compound or wherever it is they are staying for the 6 months needed to keep JK's face. No need to make any more sacrifices. I believe some other nations in the multinational occupation force have adopted this policy with good results.