If you are scared of bullets

[Maha]

Kiwibiker: A site for all New Zealand know it alls.

Only 30% know it all, the other 70% (the group I am in) know better.

[Akzle]

it isn't as clear cut as they are over there, so let em deal with their own shit.

jah. we's agrees.

We really need a sarcasm emoticon-thingy-whatsit

comic sans.

NZ could solves it's national debt by making and sell arms to the 80%.
History would show NZ to have been the country that cared enough to elevate the 80% to true self determination,,,and we'd be rich.

bwahahaha. that was option Q. i voted for it!

Only 30% know it all, the other 70% know better.

what about the 99%?

@brett.
you did make statements. several of them. that lead me to say what i said. it DOES seem to be your attitude.
really? you'd go the "might is right" route? i got guns... it wouldn't be too hard to whack up a stake for a good ol' fashioned burning. (of you.)
or are you saying you'd fight ot the death to defend your belief?
nor am i saying that everyone in afghanistan has the "same culture" bogan probably hit this one on the head with "let em deal with their own shit." afghani, taliban, whatever. their country. their jurisdiction. their problem.

as far as my "perception" or "knowledge" of things like this, i'm not entirely ignorant (i just dont give TOO much of a fuck).
i have a palestinian uncle.
now. palestine doesn't exist, according to the western know-all leaders. so he's had a helluva packet dished out. he was a "terrorist" (freedom fighter), kept an AK47 at home because he was the first and last line of defense as far as his family was concerned. he didn't fear taliban, alquaida or other "terrorists" wasn't concerned about roadside bombs etc.
and has expanded a bit of the qu'ran for me (i have one. but it looks like it was written by drunk school kids...) and the way camel jockeys are portrayed in the west is far from how it is.
i think i will have to employ sarcasm font, oft' times i'm mocking the mockers.

[Brett]

I stand to be corrected, but I think you have missed the salient point of the quote in alleycatz post. I don't think that the emphasis was on this alledged SAS trooper not wanting to be over there, but rather at the 'political' environment in which they must operate - ie the quote suggests that experienced staff are no longer with the force and that current command are making poor choices that are seeing reconstruction teams being sent to the battle lines of combat. The SAS know that it is in the environment of the front lines (and well behind them) that they are trained and supposed to operate, however reconstruction crews and roles that have large roles in helping civilians are not front line/combat oriented. This is the point I think was trying to be made.

And if I was the enemy, I would know exactly where to hit them and cause the most casualties in that case. There are many in the army much better trained and with better experience than you or I to make strategic choices.

As shit as it is, managing our planet and people properly sometimes entails that we go to war. People are complicated, nations are complicated. Not all nations are as 'civilised' as NZ, you will never get everyone on the same page. Some people would oppose your views just for the sake of it. New Zealand (thanksfully) is very isolated and insulated in many ways from the outside world. It allows kiwi's who have not experienced the great wide world to form a naive, narrow world view. Some people, not a particular attack on you Maki, just cannot see that it is the place of the more developed nations to protect the fundamental rights of the weaker nations and oppressed people. Unfortunately, ignoring the bully doesn't always work. sometimes you have to beat the living snot out of him to stop him hurting others.

There is a reason that this poem has been adopted by special forces groups, including SAS:

The Golden Road to Samarkand

They ask:
But who are ye in rags and rotten shoes,
You dirty-bearded, blocking up the way?

We answer:
We are the Pilgrims, master; we shall go
Always a little further; it may be
Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow
Across that angry or that glimmering sea,

White on a throne or guarded in a cave
There lies a prophet who can understand
Why men were born: but surely we are brave,
Who take the Golden Road to Samarkand.

The whole poem is very long, available HERE for those interested.

Edit - how could you possibly infer those comments from our posts? Is your reading comprehension limited?

So ...to apply your logic, if a guy in the next street from me regularly beats his wife and kids, pours acid in their faces and generally treats them like shit, and I happen to be someone who knows about it and is big enough and brave enough to defend them, I have no place getting involved? Never mind that the wife and kids are too scared and powerless to say anything because the houses in their road are filled with families suffering the same fate? You're saying that I should stay in my comfy rich man's house and not help them because it's their business not mine?

And FYI - their culture has changed a lot over the last thousand years. To say that it is better than our because it is more established is pretty retarded...If we're going to take that view, there are many much older cultures and civilisations that provide a much better example.

Akzle - can I ask you...have you ever been to the middle east, africa or somewhere similar where people's rights are so disrespected? Is it possible that you're view is skewed by the fact that you are perceiving these nations incorrectly?

Right, let's take a step back.

First post was in reply to Maki, trying to clarify alleycatz comments as I understood them, I thought Maki had misunderstood in part. Didn't make comment for or against it, just what i thought the OP was trying to say...

Second post: Well...it is tactical common sense. If you're enemy are all hiding under one rock (ie all troops go back to base and stay there) rather than many rocks strategically placed, attack them there. Maximum damage, minimum effort. What's your issue here?

Third post:this is quite obviously my opinion. NZ is an insulated place, has both good and bad qualities. leads to narrow world views sometimes. my opinion stated, not inferring anything from anyone else. No matter what the forum I believe that people should stand up to bullies. I hate injustice.

Fourth post: again, no inference. It's a poem...

Fifth post:I was trying to put into context what I believe you're view is saying. yes this IS inference, but I was asking it as a question to ascertain your point of view. Is this what has got your panties all twisted up? If it is, then should you not be asking yourself why someone with an alternate view has got you wound up? believe it or not, I have read what you have said and considered it. I may have a strong view on this issue, but I am not closed to anyone else's nor learning from other people's points of view.

I'm struggling to see your real issue...

[Brett]

@brett.
you did make statements. several of them. that lead me to say what i said. it DOES seem to be your attitude.
really? you'd go the "might is right" route? i got guns... it wouldn't be too hard to whack up a stake for a good ol' fashioned burning. (of you.)
or are you saying you'd fight ot the death to defend your belief?
nor am i saying that everyone in afghanistan has the "same culture" bogan probably hit this one on the head with "let em deal with their own shit." afghani, taliban, whatever. their country. their jurisdiction. their problem.

as far as my "perception" or "knowledge" of things like this, i'm not entirely ignorant (i just dont give TOO much of a fuck).
i have a palestinian uncle.
now. palestine doesn't exist, according to the western know-all leaders. so he's had a helluva packet dished out. he was a "terrorist" (freedom fighter), kept an AK47 at home because he was the first and last line of defense as far as his family was concerned. he didn't fear taliban, alquaida or other "terrorists" wasn't concerned about roadside bombs etc.
and has expanded a bit of the qu'ran for me (i have one. but it looks like it was written by drunk school kids...) and the way camel jockeys are portrayed in the west is far from how it is.
i think i will have to employ sarcasm font, oft' times i'm mocking the mockers.
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I got guns too... What's your point? You seem pretty determined to either blow me up or burn me...issues much?

Anyway, I think you and I will just have to agree to disagree. But that is the beauty of it, and part of my arguement with regards to Afghanistan...people always have the right to be different. I have much bigger real world issues to deal with than trying to insist that you think like me, and neither should you have to. Equally, you need to respect that other people can have alternate views to yours, some of your posts seem to be a bit hard lined...? (Or maybe you need to use Comis Sans more often?)

The Palestine/Israel thing is a whole separate debate.

[Akzle]

I got guns too... What's your point? You seem pretty determined to either blow me up or burn me...issues much?

Anyway, I think you and I will just have to agree to disagree. But that is the beauty of it, and part of my arguement with regards to Afghanistan...people always have the right to be different. I have much bigger real world issues to deal with than trying to insist that you think like me, and neither should you have to. Equally, you need to respect that other people can have alternate views to yours, some of your posts seem to be a bit hard lined...? (Or maybe you need to use Comis Sans more often?)

The Palestine/Israel thing is a whole separate debate.

i have no desire whatsoe'er to blow you up. i think comic sans woulda worked good there. the point is, that whatever your different beliefs are, you have no more right to inflict them on afghanis, be they taliban or not, that i have to inflict mine on you. just because my gun is bigger than yours, does not make me more right.
the western doctrine is incredibly immoral and shunned by many in that reigon of the world.

to say you're acting "for the greater good" by enforcing "democracy" on them is balls. and where do you draw the cost-benefit line?
i have a cure for cancer. i'll give it to you. if you kill 10, 000 pretty, smilin' white kids.
greater good eh?

"the whole palestine/israel thing" is perfectly relevant. the US decided it would support one and destroy the other, both via "political" channels and outright gun-games. the same thing happnin' all through the middle east, for various reasons, most of them to do with "money"

[Akzle]

2) "how can i infer...?" that seems to be your attitude.

i didn't mean this how you interpreted it.

there's also a stack of questions that i posed that you've ignored. (things along the lines of "do you believe the taliban will spread to NZ if we're not in afghanistan?" etc.)

and this:

="brett"]that it is the place of the more developed nations to protect the fundamental rights of the weaker nations and oppressed people. Unfortunately, ignoring the bully doesn't always work. sometimes you have to beat the living snot out of him to stop him hurting others.

is what i based much of what i said on.

[FJRider]

hings along the lines of "do you believe the taliban will spread to NZ if we're not in afghanistan?" etc.

What do you mean ... IF ... ?? Tama iti has already invited them over for "a chat on tactics" ...