Pro-lite questions

[jasonu]

Wow,You got me now,Or not,Since I took over running the commission in January this year,I have yet to receive an email of any sort re Miniature roadracing

There were a lot of questions asked of the MNZ (Peter Ramage) last year re Bucket carb rules, looking for clarifications and ruleings and were told the class is 'self policeing' ie do it yourself 'cause we (the MNZ) have better things to do with our time. With the large Bucket entry numbers and license fees and the cash it generates for the clubs AND the MNZ I would have thought a better response was in order.
Maybe this, and other ignored Bucket issues is why you haven't personally recieved any emails about Buckets.

[TygerTung]

Not quite correct Sam,Thats why I suggested you contact me through the appropriate email address.

I have emailed you.

[Billy]

As you represent MNZ on matters of roadracing it hardly matters that you only have been in the position since January

A letter from Peter R


What he is saying is if somebody cheats sort it out yourself, today you jump on me for even suggesting some gentle rulebending to get an extra competitor on the track



Robert Willis iss a respected tuner and bucket racer in Aukland, he has nothing to gain by making this up



Here is the questionable rule that when seeking assistance from MNZ none was forthcoming

You are probably no more a clown than I am a complete idiot as you stated earlier, if you can make that judgement based on 10 words i posted on KB you have superpowers

Oh dear,So by your reckoning then,Everything that has happened in roadracing in the past is my doing????Suggesting some gentle rule bending?Really,Looked more to me like you suggested he just turn up with whatever and plead foregiveness,Don't even think about it while I'm roadrace commissioner,Atleast at National level!!!

Yip I know who Robert Willis is and Wobbly,Talk to him regularly as he lives local and I just designed and supplied the bodywork for his Aprilia/RZ Superlite machinery,Also had Jimmy Steadman here last weekend buying some stuff for a new bucket he's building and yes theyve spoken too me about rulechanges and clarifications as has Andrew Presant from the vic club and know what they are required to do for me to consider them,But as yet they havent bothered,Maybe your just not in the loop as I suggested earlier,Either way theres no way it can be of my doing,But you keep thinking whatever you like

[Billy]

I have emailed you.

All good mate,Just turned the computer back on half an hour ago,Will reply asap

[Yow Ling]

Oh dear,So by your reckoning then,Everything that has happened in roadracing in the past is my doing????

No not at all, just saying MNZ has recently been uneven in following up on things

Suggesting some gentle rule bending?Really,Looked more to me like you suggested he just turn up with whatever and plead foregiveness,Don't even think about it while I'm roadrace commissioner,Atleast at National level!!!

So at club level its ok? Which is what I assumed Sam was asking about

Yip I know who Robert Willis is and Wobbly,Talk to him regularly as he lives local and I just designed and supplied the bodywork for his Aprilia/RZ Superlite machinery,Also had Jimmy Steadman here last weekend buying some stuff for a new bucket he's building and yes theyve spoken too me about rulechanges and clarifications as has Andrew Presant from the vic club and know what they are required to do for me to consider them,But as yet they havent bothered,Maybe your just not in the loop as I suggested earlier,Either way theres no way it can be of my doing,But you keep thinking whatever you like

I wasnt asking if you knew these people , I was just giving an example of how MNZ were unhelpfull and expect buckets to sort out their own issues, and the level of attention given to a relativly small new class gets the gold plated treatment. I have no problem with rules so long as they are applied consistently.

[Billy]

I have emailed you.

Reply sent 5 mins ago.

[jasonu]

Oh dear,So by your reckoning then,Everything that has happened in roadracing in the past is my doing????

No one said it was your doing simply pointing out that there have been unanswered/ignored questions that were put to the MNZ. Maybe you should do a little research and see what has been requested and maybe address these requests.
What took place before you took over this position isn't your fault but now you're it.

[Billy]

No one said it was your doing simply pointing out that there have been unanswered/ignored questions that were put to the MNZ. Maybe you should do a little research and see what has been requested and maybe address these requests.
What took place before you took over this position isn't your fault but now you're it.

You mean like the posties who had been ignored for 2 years before I took over in regard to the Pre89 F1/F2/F3 classes who reapplied immediately I took and have had their request dealt with as well as Championship status for the TT and GP in those classes?

Mate if you had even the slightest idea just how big the job of running the commission was and add to the fact its an unpaid position that eats up 30+ hours a week if you deal with the requests that come through the 2 email accts,You would know exactly why I don't go back through the system looking for more work,As I have already stated I am in regular contact with a number of the people involved in running miniature roadracing and none of them have put forward any submissions for change.

[Yow Ling]

You mean like the posties who had been ignored for 2 years before I took over in regard to the Pre89 F1/F2/F3 classes who reapplied immediately I took and have had their request dealt with as well as Championship status for the TT and GP in those classes?

Mate if you had even the slightest idea just how big the job of running the commission was and add to the fact its an unpaid position that eats up 30+ hours a week if you deal with the requests that come through the 2 email accts,You would know exactly why I don't go back through the system looking for more work,As I have already stated I am in regular contact with a number of the people involved in running miniature roadracing and none of them have put forward any submissions for change.

Hi Billy, you are right we have no idea how big the job is, or how much of your time it consumes. I sure wouldnt put my hand up for it.
At our end we make the assumption that MNZ dont care about buckets other than collecting our fees, and based on past history asking for anything is a waste of time. Maybe that will change under your command. I dont think anyone was asking for a submission for change, just simple clarification of the rules, what is the correct process for that? I looked on the MNZ site and could only find the process for changing a rule.

Being self policing is fine untill you encounter a problem that needs the authority of the organisation to back it, how can you argue that a RS125 barrel is illegal on a bucket when the rules clearly indicate it isnt illegal, it may be against the spirit of the rules, but it is the actual rules that we race by.

[Billy]

Hi Billy, you are right we have no idea how big the job is, or how much of your time it consumes. I sure wouldnt put my hand up for it.
At our end we make the assumption that MNZ dont care about buckets other than collecting our fees, and based on past history asking for anything is a waste of time. Maybe that will change under your command. I dont think anyone was asking for a submission for change, just simple clarification of the rules, what is the correct process for that? I looked on the MNZ site and could only find the process for changing a rule.

Being self policing is fine untill you encounter a problem that needs the authority of the organisation to back it, how can you argue that a RS125 barrel is illegal on a bucket when the rules clearly indicate it isnt illegal, it may be against the spirit of the rules, but it is the actual rules that we race by.

Yip,Self policing is always going to be difficult and to be completely honest,I personally don't have a huge amount of experience in the area of miniature roadracing,What I do have however is a good working relationship with some of the people mentioned earlier and if I was to be questioned on any aspect I was unsure about,I discuss the matter with those who do have the expertise,To be honest the correct channels were used in the past and I can only state in Peter's defence at the time he was probably just too busy to deal with some requests as he was moved to Auckland from Invercargill as part of his job and lost contact with some of his support base,Quite honestly he did the best job he could under the circumstances and despite some folks not feeling like they were dealt with to a satisfactory level,He did a good job of running the sport,If you or anybodty else need a clarification your first contact should be too me at mnzrrc@gmail.com

[FROSTY:Me]

Looking at this thread as a non involved partyguys. The OP SPECIFICALLY was asking regarding bike setup to conform with PROLITE RULES. On that basis its pretty cut and dried regarding the rules isn't it?
Billy I do have to ask you why certain models of GPX250 are Homologated and others aren't.Is it just they have such a long model run?

[Henk]

Wild guess here on my part but I suspect the current model ninja ex250j and whatever followed it are homologated but the earlier gpx isn't.

[TygerTung]

Is there any way to find a list of bikes which have been homologated?

[quickbuck]

As you represent MNZ on matters of roadracing it hardly matters that you only have been in the position since January

A letter from Peter R


What he is saying is if somebody cheats sort it out yourself,

I do not think he was saying anything of the sort.
He said you need to Self Police to some extent.

The whole thing about Bucket racing was IF YOU CAN BUILD IT, then Fair Game!

This is how it started..... (for those that don't know, and the story I was told 22 years ago by my boss)
There were once a group of Air Force lads who had a little time on their hands, so they looked out acrss the vast stretches of tarmac, and decided to modify their farm bikes to be more suitable for tarmac racing.
They cut all the unessary bits off them, and put on some road tyres, set up some cones, and went for gold.

Obviously some rules needed to be drafted up. So in keeping with the spirit of Kiwi enginuity any mods you could make you self were allowed. Sleeving down your YZ125 wasn't considered fair! Or indeed stealing your little brothers YZ80!

The single sided swing arm bike was made in a garage.
Water cooled heads became coman place.
Supercharging was allowed (with a lower cc limit)... good luck with that...
There were other ingenius things.... I remember Dave Griffiths and boys and indeed Morley Shirrifs and boys were right into it in the early 90's, along with many, many more names... and some on this site...

So my point.... (finally, and sorry for dribbling)
The Self Policing comes from the Air Force culture in reality.
It means that if you have noticed that one of your competitors has done something new, make sure the mods are in the spirit of the rules.
There is no need to tell the bosses about it, or get them involved (in this case it is MNZ), it can be sorted out on the workshop floor.
The RNZAF does it a lot. How often do you reckon we hassle the CAA?

Hope that makes sence.....
But then I guess it is easier to Self Police something when you are actually used to doing it.

[Henk]

Is there any way to find a list of bikes which have been homologated?

http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/Homolo...Race_Bikes.pdf

But it looks like every bike they have ever homologated so getting in touch with MNZ for clarification might not astray.