Pro-lite questions

[FROSTY:Me]

QB you aint far off the mark except it was back in the days where cars were darned expensive and everyone on base had a 50cc two stroke commuter bike or a 100cc two stroke/125cc four stroke commuter bike. The origonal "rules" were just run what you brung ensuring a pukka MX bike or roadrace bike couldn't enter. times have changed in reality to suit the available stuff as the old commuters have been replaced with 150cc four strokes.

[quickbuck]

Is there any way to find a list of bikes which have been homologated?

Sorry to take your thread a little off topic there buddy....
As for a list.. Good question, and it would be good to see a full list. I usually just ask Billy if a bike has been or not...
He may well tell you in an e-mail.
But I think it goes something like this:
As long it was imported as a NZ model, and has sold more than 50 units (or they imported 50 units for sale) then it is good to go.
I might well be wrong with that though

So a Japanese Market only bike is a no go (from what i understand, otherwise one could get a really warmish little beast from over there...).

I have a 2010 Ninja 250r, and ProLite (Now 250 Production) is an awesome class. Especially if you have a small budget.
As said earlier, Blair races an 1988 GPX250. Awesome bike, and makes more power out of the little twin than the 2008-2011 Ninjas (Same motor though). Handicap was 16" Rear Wheel.

The best bit about being really tight on the rules is this:
If for some reason my bike can't make the next round, then there is nothing stippong me borrowing my mates Ninja, and after an hours work I can race that easily.

[TygerTung]

It seems the only homologated GPX's on the list are the EX250 F2-F16 1988-2002 and EX250 F7F 2007

Mine is a 1988 EX250E-031184 though, which must be an earlier model and not on the list. It has been imported from Japan though which may make it ineligible. Apparently some of the imported VTR-250's have more power than the locally sold ones so imported bikes may be ineligible.

I don't know if the imported GPX250's have more power or not, I would suspect not, I will have to enquire to Kawasaki.

[Skunk]

...theyve spoken too me about rulechanges and clarifications as has Andrew Presant from the vic club and know what they are required to do for me to consider them,But as yet they havent bothered,...

Right then. Here I was easing your workload... Time to fire up the email program.

Oh, and for God's sake Billy - learn punctuation. It makes it easier to read your rambles.

[FROSTY:Me]

It seems the only homologated GPX's on the list are the EX250 F2-F16 1988-2002 and EX250 F7F 2007

Mine is a 1988 EX250E-031184 though, which must be an earlier model and not on the list. It has been imported from Japan though which may make it ineligible. Apparently some of the imported VTR-250's have more power than the locally sold ones so imported bikes may be ineligible.

I don't know if the imported GPX250's have more power or not, I would suspect not, I will have to enquire to Kawasaki.

Ialways thought the little Honda Spada 250 would be the ultimate prolite bike. But being a jap market grey import....

[Billy]

Right then. Here I was easing your workload... Time to fire up the email program.

Oh, and for God's sake Billy - learn punctuation. It makes it easier to read your rambles.

Why you dont listen to anything I say anyway!!!

[Billy]

Ialways thought the little Honda Spada 250 would be the ultimate prolite bike. But being a jap market grey import....

Yip,You hit it the nail right on the head there Frosty,Tygatung is being a bit mischevious now,Ive already explained all this too him and it is me he got the list of homologated Ninjas from,I also gave him the 0800 number for Kawasaki and the contact there(Wayne List) to discuss why the import models were not homologated

For anybody thats interested the homologated bikes list is under the heading sports news on the homepage of the MNZ website and scroll down,Not that I should have too tell anybody as you should all have made yourselves familiar with the website while reading up on the rules!!!!

[Yow Ling]

For anybody thats interested the homologated bikes list is under the heading sports news on the homepage of the MNZ website and scroll down,Not that I should have too tell anybody as you should all have made yourselves familiar with the website while reading up on the rules!!!!

linky http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/Homolo...Race_Bikes.pdf

[Billy]

linky http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/Homolo...Race_Bikes.pdf

Err yea I wouldve done that but I'm a technophobe,Thanks.

[wayne]

so a 2012 hyosung gt250r not allowed ?

[Billy]

so a 2012 hyosung gt250r not allowed ?

Yip,It's been homologated,Just hasn't made it onto the website as yet.

[budda]

I do not think he was saying anything of the sort.
He said you need to Self Police to some extent.

The whole thing about Bucket racing was IF YOU CAN BUILD IT, then Fair Game!

This is how it started..... (for those that don't know, and the story I was told 22 years ago by my boss)
There were once a group of Air Force lads who had a little time on their hands, so they looked out acrss the vast stretches of tarmac, and decided to modify their farm bikes to be more suitable for tarmac racing.
They cut all the unessary bits off them, and put on some road tyres, set up some cones, and went for gold.

Obviously some rules needed to be drafted up. So in keeping with the spirit of Kiwi enginuity any mods you could make you self were allowed. Sleeving down your YZ125 wasn't considered fair! Or indeed stealing your little brothers YZ80!

The single sided swing arm bike was made in a garage.
Water cooled heads became coman place.
Supercharging was allowed (with a lower cc limit)... good luck with that...
There were other ingenius things.... I remember Dave Griffiths and boys and indeed Morley Shirrifs and boys were right into it in the early 90's, along with many, many more names... and some on this site...

So my point.... (finally, and sorry for dribbling)
The Self Policing comes from the Air Force culture in reality.
It means that if you have noticed that one of your competitors has done something new, make sure the mods are in the spirit of the rules.
There is no need to tell the bosses about it, or get them involved (in this case it is MNZ), it can be sorted out on the workshop floor.
The RNZAF does it a lot. How often do you reckon we hassle the CAA?

Hope that makes sence.....
But then I guess it is easier to Self Police something when you are actually used to doing it.

Exactly right - just for clarification - what I said, what I meant then and what I stand by now is this .... if one of your fellow competitors is operating outside the rules the rest of you are following, surely its better to have a gentle word and get them back on the right path rather than force some other poor bastard, who gives up his time to try and make POSITIVE change, into the role of Judge, Jury and Bailiff. If theres cheating going on, sort it - IF that doesnt work, THEN involve MNZ

[Yow Ling]

Exactly right - just for clarification - what I said, what I meant then and what I stand by now is this .... if one of your fellow competitors is operating outside the rules the rest of you are following, surely its better to have a gentle word and get them back on the right path rather than force some other poor bastard, who gives up his time to try and make POSITIVE change, into the role of Judge, Jury and Bailiff. If theres cheating going on, sort it - IF that doesnt work, THEN involve MNZ

Actually you were simply asked to clarify 2 points in the rules, something the racers cannot do. One related to the 24mm carburetion equivelent rule and the other an ambigous rule regarding competition engines, nobody needed hanging, and MNZ wernt interested.

[quickbuck]

For anybody thats interested the homologated bikes list is under the heading sports news on the homepage of the MNZ website and scroll down,Not that I should have too tell anybody as you should all have made yourselves familiar with the website while reading up on the rules!!!!

I see a reaccuring theme here Billy.....
It may well be as simple as the MNZ Web Site isn't user friendly/ or a little clumbsy..... And my phone won't go there!
That is how i find it, any how.....

[TygerTung]

I havn't had a chance yet to ring up Kawasaki and find out what the difference is between the earlier EX250 E import and the later model EX250 F's etc which were sold new in New Zealand.

Probably will do tommorow.