Formula 450 for NZ?

[Billy]

So the previous roadrace commissioner was really keen on introducing this class,But never got the opportunity,

Possible specs would be,

ENGINES: Stock, Suspension including triple clamps and shock linkages: Open,

Frame and swing arm: Must be from the original machine IE YZF/CRF etc, Bodywork: Open, Exhaust: Slip on only, Fuel: Pump gas only max octane 98

Has yet too be discussed amongst the commission members,But we would be keen too hear what the competitors think.

[RobGassit]

I take this to mean dirt bike conversions as per Aussie, as opposed to OZZY?

[Billy]

I take this to mean dirt bike conversions as per Aussie, as opposed to OZZY?

Yip you got it.

[RobGassit]

Yip you got it.

I'm all for it although I hope it doesn't finish off ProTwin which I see as a logical stepping stone to 600 Proddy from 250 Proddy.

[Deano]

Personally, I'd like to be able to stick with my pro twin, in pro twins.

I realise motorsport is not cheap, but there is no other 'mid sized' bike (championship) class that is 'relatively' inexpensive. Even pro twins costs thousands each year - thankfully I have some good sponsors.

Superlites would involve a lot of engine development to be at the pointy end. (Podiums)
Supersport 600 involves a large initial outlay and will chew through a lot more tyres.
I imagine that a Formula 450 class would also be pretty expensive.

There is no way I'm going back to pro or mini lites - even the SV is a little tame really !

[quallman1234]

Same old problem, without Pro-Twins/125GP there's no inbetween production (Why should you have to make some drastic mods to be competitive, which are beyond suspension/pipe/rear sets etc etc)/realistically priced national class before you are forced to ride 600's.

Formula 450 is a good idea. However ask Scott Moir about replacing valves. MX Motor's are not designed for constant high rev's. I believe he had issue, but thats TBC by him.

[Billy]

I'm all for it although I hope it doesn't finish off ProTwin which I see as a logical stepping stone to 600 Proddy from 250 Proddy.

How I understand it is,That this class would be a better stepping stone for the younger competitors and these machines can be built relatively cheaply and would also be more managable for the smaller peeps,There is also some concern within MNZ that pro twins has not taken off as well as was expected,That said,I'm not stating categorically that pro twin would go,But unless theres a big increase in numbers,It MAY be looked at.

[Tony.OK]

There is also some concern within MNZ that pro twins has not taken off as well as was expected,That said,I'm not stating categorically that pro twin would go,But unless theres a big increase in numbers,It MAY be looked at.

Almost a pattern appearing with "classes within classes"?
Sounds like Superstock 100's and 600's a bit, being mixed in with F3 or whatever its called now, do ppl just want to build/race the hotrods etc?
I do wonder how different it may be if the class was on its own? Certainly would make more sense to spectators. 1st ProTwin home in 5th place overall means nothing to the viewers.
Think CRT vs MotoGP.......

[neil_cb125t]

How I understand it is,That this class would be a better stepping stone for the younger competitors and these machines can be built relatively cheaply and would also be more managable for the smaller peeps,There is also some concern within MNZ that pro twins has not taken off as well as was expected,That said,I'm not stating categorically that pro twin would go,But unless theres a big increase in numbers,It MAY be looked at.

I think an additional NON 600/1000 class would be great, basically an option that isn't Pro twin or F3, but the machine needs to be one that cannot be run competitively in any other class thus taking competitors out of that class (especially F3!) I think a different style bike class would be better like a 600 naked class, or 675 class or GSX600fs or whatever. Stock eveything apart from pipe and a tune and crash protection, DOT TYRES. This would give guys who want to race something other than a F3 bike or a Sv an option before jumping into 600s/1000s.

The 450 classed machine would cost far more than a single bike Stock class.

[Billy]

Almost a pattern appearing with "classes within classes"?
Sounds like Superstock 100's and 600's a bit, being mixed in with F3 or whatever its called now, do ppl just want to build/race the hotrods etc?
I do wonder how different it may be if the class was on its own? Certainly would make more sense to spectators. 1st ProTwin home in 5th place overall means nothing to the viewers.
Think CRT vs MotoGP.......

Yip,

But its a bit like the chicken and the egg really,If numbers were to increase we would probably look at it,But as it stands now,It can work one of two ways,If we drop a support class to run a race for 8 national competitors it leaves the host club to take a loss (and I am not gonna let that happen),Or the competitors in that National class can make up the difference therefore making their entry fees through the roof and then we get less competitors,Or we can stick with the status quo hope the numbers increase,Can't see why they would though after 6 years.

[Billy]

The 450 classed machine would cost far more than a single bike Stock class.

Really,What do you base that on? Ive seen YZF450s sell recently for as little as $2000.00 on trade me,Bung a roadbike front end in it and rear wheel,Which you could pick up for $1000.00 if you look around,Might cost you $500.00 max for some machining,A set of GP style bodywork like the RS250 NXA stuff I modified for the Aprilia/RZs $750.00 and youve got a competitve racebike for less than $5k

[neil_cb125t]

Really,What do you base that on? Ive seen YZF450s sell recently for as little as $2000.00 on trade me,Bung a roadbike front end in it and rear wheel,Which you could pick up for $1000.00 if you look around,Might cost you $500.00 max for some machining,A set of GP style bodywork like the RS250 NXA stuff I modified for the Aprilia/RZs $750.00 and youve got a competitve racebike for less than $5k

maybe my interpretation of this is wrong....

Possible specs would be,

ENGINES: Stock, Suspension including triple clamps and shock linkages: Open,

Frame and swing arm: Open, Bodywork: Open, Exhaust: Slip on only, Fuel: Pump gas only max octane 98

So thats Engine stock, exhuast slip on, everything else open? Sus? Frame? Swing Arm? Rims? am I correct?

Too sim to F3 and too many ways to spend money to make it more competitive within the rules.

[neil_cb125t]

I do support another class thou billie - just would rather them be 90% stock 10% mods, rather than the other way round.

[Billy]

maybe my interpretation of this is wrong....

Possible specs would be,

ENGINES: Stock, Suspension including triple clamps and shock linkages: Open,

Frame and swing arm: Open, Bodywork: Open, Exhaust: Slip on only, Fuel: Pump gas only max octane 98

So thats Engine stock, exhuast slip on, everything else open? Sus? Frame? Swing Arm? Rims? am I correct?

Too sim to F3 and too many ways to spend money to make it more competitive within the rules.

Good spotting,I mucked up the frame and swing arm specs,Have edited it now,But as pointed out,Some WILL spend more than others,IE Ohlins spec forks,Carbonfibre wheels,TTX Rear shock,Where it differs from Superlite is all the engines will be roughly the same HP,Not as it is in Superlite at present,You will notice it also states "POSSIBLE" specs,As I have already said it hasn't even been mentioned to the rest of the commission yet,Just fishing for feedback at the mo.

[crazy man]

sounds like a motard class