Formula 450 for NZ?

[neil_cb125t]

The ORIGINAL proposal was stock ENGINES, FRAMES, SWINGARMS, RADIATORS, SUBFRAMES ...... Take your universal 450MXer, add shortened boingers, rearsets, clipons and bodywork - an afternoons work to convert your Jumping Bike to a Real Racer, or ( God knows why !!!! ) the other way. If neccessary, we could bring in a max HP ( say 58hp ) to keep build costs and reliability under some form of control. Could limit rim sizes to 3.5/4.5 ? Could outlaw CF etc etc too - but Herr Von Billingtons question was, is there any interest out there in developing the idea ?????

The rationale was a Class where EVERY Manufacturer has a suitable bike, the bikes are AVAILABLE, AFFORDABLE, light enough for the smaller/younger/lighter riders, adjustable enough for same Riders to LEARN something, appeal to the good old Kiwi "build yerself something" mentality, and if for some reason you dont like it, you A/ havent burnt a shitload of money and B/ the process is reversible for ease of resale

These bikes are legal NOW, no need for any flash sets of rule changes - and once there is a decent core of 'em, a stand-alone Championship Class ?

Sounds much better to me (the highlighted bold stuff) that fills a hole that isn't plugged, however as you state F3 or superlite allows these bikes to run in it. Therefore building it will take people out of the class who have them, Theres a quick black 450 single at VMCC in f3 already.

Never know till you make the class i suppose - they can be run in the F3 feild which is good for orginisers - but at Wanganui and other events they will just be mixed with F3...... hard one to call

[neil_cb125t]

"I'm sure there would be a handful of bucket boys that would be open to slapping in a stock 450 into their flash as setups for shits and giggles. There must be a myriad of NSR/RGV/KR/tzr rolling frames sitting in sheds that could happily be used. Again one could do it in an evening swap out of one frame into another.."

If half of you crazy bucket tinkers actually put proper engines into those high end frames the F3 wouldn't be scratching for numbers. Buckets turned when rs125 frames were being used, stick a good donk in it and come mix it on a real race track!!!!

[Billy]

Sounds much better to me (the highlighted bold stuff) that fills a hole that isn't plugged, however as you state F3 or superlite allows these bikes to run in it. Therefore building it will take people out of the class who have them, Theres a quick black 450 single at VMCC in f3 already.

Never know till you make the class i suppose - they can be run in the F3 feild which is good for orginisers - but at Wanganui and other events they will just be mixed with F3...... hard one to call

Yea,

The black one at the vic club meetings is Scotty Moirs bike,RS125 chassis with CRF450 donk,Not really what we intended,Although a feild full of those would be cool as well

[budda]

Yea,

The black one at the vic club meetings is Scotty Moirs bike,RS125 chassis with CRF450 donk,Not really what we intended,Although a feild full of those would be cool as well

Absodamnlutely it would .... trouble is, quite a few folks just dont comprehend that the Commission HAS to look at more than 1 Clubs Winter Series, got to make things work NZ wide, and not just for the Champs either. Theres a few things I personally would LOVE to see happening, but sadly they simply dont and wont fit the BIG picture ! If you've got a bike that fits the rules, and are keen to race the thing, get off the keyboard and DOO EEEET

[codgyoleracer]

Well thats odd...We on the commission find most of your comments irrelevant,But OK I'll go along with ya!

HaHa , i find that odd too, as my blatherings on here seem to have more impact than through any official channels....... :-)

The trick to anyone that post comments on KB, is not to say what you actually want, but to say "just enough" to get what you want. The idea being that someone else with better connections can then be crowned with having the "brainwave" that made it all happen

Long live KB, Hurrah !, Hurrah !, Hurrah !

[Billy]

HaHa , i find that odd too, as my blatherings on here seem to have more impact than through any official channels....... :-)

The trick to anyone that post comments on KB, is not to say what you actually want, but to say "just enough" to get what you want. The idea being that someone else with better connections can then be crowned with having the "brainwave" that made it all happen

Long live KB, Hurrah !, Hurrah !, Hurrah !

Really!!! What has changed due to your ramblings on KB that you haben't achieved by ringing me????

[codgyoleracer]

Really!!! What has changed due to your ramblings on KB that you haben't achieved by ringing me????

Yeah I know, i gotta ring you too, but thats just cos your old and might forget

[RobGassit]

"I'm sure there would be a handful of bucket boys that would be open to slapping in a stock 450 into their flash as setups for shits and giggles. There must be a myriad of NSR/RGV/KR/tzr rolling frames sitting in sheds that could happily be used. Again one could do it in an evening swap out of one frame into another.."

If half of you crazy bucket tinkers actually put proper engines into those high end frames the F3 wouldn't be scratching for numbers. Buckets turned when rs125 frames were being used, stick a good donk in it and come mix it on a real race track!!!!

That's pretty brave of you Neil, poking those Bouqet dudes with a pointed stick like that.

[Muzzab]

That's pretty brave of you Neil, poking those Bouqet dudes with a pointed stick like that.

South Island Bucket guy's don't understand the comment, what's wrong with racing at Ruapuna, Levels, Methven, Greymouth etc???
My RGV-FXR 150 is a hoot to ride. Mate round the corner has what you are talking about, a RGV-450 for F3, it's really cool.

[Bert]

If half of you crazy bucket tinkers actually put proper engines into those high end frames the F3 wouldn't be scratching for numbers. Buckets turned when rs125 frames were being used, stick a good donk in it and come mix it on a real race track!!!!

Just for you Chappy: bucket frame to good use??
bit out of box's from under the house...




after reading rules again; it will not conform to superlite regs as its not a production frame (therefore not a production motorcycle).
shame really but great for track day fun..
Spose I should write another letter and find out for sure.
maybe a 450 is warranted...



QUICK ANSWER IS ......NOPE; DOSE NOT MEET superlite regs SO NO GO...
put the motor under the house again for another +15years...
(not sure how you can compete on a +25year old 250cc in a production frame against a brand new 400cc RZ/banshee in a RS sp "Production frame"... or a SV650 in custom frame...).
Stick to buckets me thinks (even playing field).

[neil_cb125t]

Just for you Chappy: bucket frame to good use??
bit out of box's from under the house...




after reading rules again; it will not conform to superlite regs as its not a production frame (therefore not a production motorcycle).
shame really but great for track day fun..
Spose I should write a letter and find out for sure.

maybe a 450 is warranted...

for sure!!!

[richban]

So the previous roadrace commissioner was really keen on introducing this class,But never got the opportunity,

Possible specs would be,

ENGINES: Stock, Suspension including triple clamps and shock linkages: Open,

Frame and swing arm: Must be from the original machine IE YZF/CRF etc, Bodywork: Open, Exhaust: Slip on only, Fuel: Pump gas only max octane 98

Has yet too be discussed amongst the commission members,But we would be keen too hear what the competitors think.

Might have more joy with a super-mono class. Everything open but has to be a single and run on pump gas. But that is basically F3 anyway. Would live to build one. Its on the list. from what i have seen of the dirt bike conversions they cost lots and don't go as good as say an NSR MC21 with a 450 500 whatever. Much cheaper to bug an engine in a roller.

Oh and my bike almost done. Will be riding it this weekend. A dirt engine would fit really easy. But I like the little engines so a 250 would be my choice.

[Ivan]

Same old problem, without Pro-Twins/125GP there's no inbetween production (Why should you have to make some drastic mods to be competitive, which are beyond suspension/pipe/rear sets etc etc)/realistically priced national class before you are forced to ride 600's.

Formula 450 is a good idea. However ask Scott Moir about replacing valves. MX Motor's are not designed for constant high rev's. I believe he had issue, but thats TBC by him.

i think he struck problems after chasing horsepower once again tbc by him up until then it was a good bike, A modern standered fuel injected 450 should be pretty good the supermoto boys seem to do allgood on them and after having spent alot of time at motox i think the bikes recieve more a hiding there than they would on the road most of race they held bouncing of limiters they still wont be the cheapest tho but a good 2010 fuel injected yammy be around 7-8k roughly new piston in it make sure your changing oil etc should last you awhile the 450s are quite durable

[Ivan]

if this class took off id look at getting another 450 to build one if supermoto was big in new zealand still id have my 450 kitted out as a motard and turn it back as a motox bike out of all the bikes ive rode my rs125 was the best handling bike ive owned and out of the box the 2011 yz450f is my 2nd favourite bike ive owned the frame is amazing ive always thought it responds real well and would be fun on the road

[budda]

if this class took off id look at getting another 450 to build one if supermoto was big in new zealand still id have my 450 kitted out as a motard and turn it back as a motox bike out of all the bikes ive rode my rs125 was the best handling bike ive owned and out of the box the 2011 yz450f is my 2nd favourite bike ive owned the frame is amazing ive always thought it responds real well and would be fun on the road

Well said, that man ....... funnily enough, you could buy BRAND NEW Yamahas, beautifully converted, in the States !