IWI - I want it

[pete376403]

Solid Energy value looking doubtful (Spring Creek halting mining, Huntly layoffs, Pike River unlikely to reopen), Meridians biggest customer (Tiwai aluminium smelter) laying off 100 and wanting to renegotiate the price they pay for electricity, plus water rights issue, maybe not such a good idea to be putting these assets on the block right now.

[mossy1200]

Seems strange that somone wants to own and charge for something that was made West of NZ by climit and delivered by systems made by others.
The asset is the method of containment or use of.
If IWI want to charge for water or a product of water nobody is stopping them from using the asset of cash to buy the delivery or containment systems or building more to compete in the market place.
If the rest of NZ cant send IWI a bill for water damage why should NZ pay for water?

[Matariki]

Before I get started, I would like to state that I am Maori/Pakeha, though I have nothing to do with Ngaipuhu (I'm Ngai Tahu and Ngati Kahungunu Ki Wairoa) and I had no idea about the 'wind claim' yet alone the 'water claim' until this thread popped up. Now, I personally find it a pet peeve of mine when people refer to us Maori as those 'greedy bastards' or 'bloody murrays' (even though David Rankin probably fits into both categories), because of incidents like this. No, not all Maori agree with David Rankin, including myself. So, i'll try and give an educated response to why I do disagree with David Rankin.

Firstly I did some digging around and found something interesting;

David Rankin claims in this article that Ngapuhi did not sign the treaty of Waitangi -http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0802/S00163.htm

Lets point out some facts here:

1. An Iwi (tribe) is usually made up of subtribes (hapu's) which have their own councils made up of chiefs and elders (Rangatira/Gentry Class).
2. The treaty of Waitangi is a constitution made up of the representing bodies of the British Crown and the leading Maori Chiefs of New Zealand/Aotearoa, which recognized Maori ownership of their lands and other properties, and gave the Māori the rights of British subjects. However, the understanding of the treaty of Waitangi was the following: From the British point of view, the treaty gave Britain sovereignty over New Zealand, and gave the Governor the right to govern the country. From the Maori view point, they believed they ceded to the Crown a right of governance in return for protection, without giving up their authority to manage their own affairs.
3. 35 Northern chiefs signed the treaty of Waitangi. In February 1840, the chiefs of Ngāpuhi met with the lieutenant-governor William Hobson, the official British resident James Busby, and the missionary Henry Williams, to consider signing the Treaty of Waitangi. Led by the Bay of Islands chiefs, the group initially rejected the treaty, although a minority spoke in favour of signing. Eventually Hōne Heke and Tāmati Wāka Nene, from the Hokianga, persuaded the remaining chiefs to sign, drawing on the assurances from Hobson and Williams that the treaty was intended primarily to protect Māori land and interests from the French and unscrupulous settlers. On 6 February 1840, 43 Ngāpuhi chiefs, led by Hōne Heke, signed the treaty. Over the following months a further 100 or more Ngāpuhi chiefs signed.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/tribal-organisation/1
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/ngapuhi/5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Waitangi

It could be that David Rankin's hapu did not sign the treaty of Waitangi, however the fact remains that a large majority (including the chiefs with the most mana/power) of Ngapuhi did. Which means that David Rankin's claim of Ngapuhi not signing the treaty of Waitangi is incorrect. Another fact that needs to be brought up is that David Rankin's ancestors could of sold the land in question to a neighboring hapu who did sign the treaty of Waitangi or sold it to a Pakehea. Either way, that means the land no longer belongs to David Rankin's hapu, including the wind and water that passes through it. If David Rankin and his hapu wants to claim the 'wind' that passes through the property, first he would need to repurchase the land. But his real interest isn't in preserving the land or the culture of Ngapuhi, his interest is in getting a large chunk out of the financial pie.

Another thing too, claiming that the wind is a deity does not count as a cause for granted ownership over land or anything else that goes through it (if David Rankin is going to go through that route, he will need to compete with the other polytheistic and pantheistic religions who also claim the wind as their deity).

In short, this is a very sad attempt at trying to get money into David Rankin's hapu's coffers (or more specifically, into his own pockets), and at what cost? The reputation of not just his hapu but the Maori in general who have nothing and want nothing to do with this twit?

Watch this video and you'll see what I mean:

http://www.3news.co.nz/Treaty-gives-...6/Default.aspx

[ducatilover]

If Mr Rankin claims his Hapu did not sign the Treaty/Te Tiriti/stuff then he himself cannot make a claim with the Tribunal, can he?
He's a stupid git anyway and Hotkebab is right about his dirtying the name of other Maori (although, nobody likes Ngapuhi anyway)

But I know nussing, I is a whitey

[BoristheBiter]

psssssshhhhhht.
you voted for them (glubberminnut) to make those decisions/laws for you. your complaining rights are null and void until the next election.

shush.

Yer na... sorry bro didn't get to vote on your racist maori roll.
I voted for the removal of them not to climb into bed with some dirty hori, sorry Hone.

[98tls]

This thread is hilarious!!!

"We're all one people, all New Zealanders"

"piss off bro, not even"

Imagine the weather forecasts if Maori take control of the wind from god, "gusty northwesterlies" no chance, we would have endless "lazy southwesters".

[MisterD]

It's called international law....nothing lefty about it

No. UN General Assembly declarations are not legally binding under international law.

It's one of the only things I'll give the Klarkenfuhrer any credit for, she refused to sign up to it...that required Mr Spineless on one of his first roll-overs for the separatists.

[imdying]

Geeze time to get my Indigenous membership renewed.

I have considered this myself. I'm a person of the land, I was born here... I never taken much interest in genealogy, but I do know I'm at least third generation New Zealander. My Mana comes from the land here in New Zealand, I am for all intents and purposes tangata whenua.

I assume that means I can join a tribe and get on the gravy train?

[Ocean1]

I have considered this myself. I'm a person of the land, I was born here... I never taken much interest in genealogy, but I do know I'm at least third generation New Zealander. My Mana comes from the land here in New Zealand, I am for all intents and purposes tangata whenua.

That's the entry criteria for brown kiwis, not you skinny arsed white bastards.

[BoristheBiter]

That's the entry criteria for brown kiwis,

Here's me thinking it was wife beating and kid killing.

[Brian d marge]

The international banking system , doesnt give a toss about your feelings ,

its all about Money

You may have a chance under the treaty of waitangi ,

Sorry but thats the facts

Stephen

[imdying]

That's the entry criteria for brown kiwis, not you skinny arsed white bastards.

Ahhhhh, I am a brown kiwi!

[Ocean1]

Ahhhhh, I am a brown kiwi!

I am not getting into a discussion about your arse.

[imdying]

Seriously bro, I'm at least as brown as Tipene O'regan...

[Akzle]

I voted for the removal of them not to climb into bed with some dirty hori, sorry Hone.

there's the problem.
so sit down and fuck up until 2014. your opinion doesn't matter.

Here's me thinking it was wife beating and kid killing.

don't lie. it's bad karma.