Would this Reaper Gen X 150cc be legal for bucket racing?

[jasonmx]

I see you are based in Dunners, Buckets down here are all raced on big tracks (Ruapuna, Levels, Teratonga and Greymouth and Methven street circuits) so I thiink your 15 HP 4 speed bikes on 14" wheels would just be dangerous Its a dam shame Pac n save and the Warehouse's of the world are now open 24/7 there's some dame fine car parks that you could have some serious fun on those on a sunday arvo with 1/2 doz mates

The bigger tracks would probably not be ideal for them, but yeah we can race them at the Silver Stream Karts track, its perfect for them : )

[F5 Dave]

Pumba, sometimes you can be a real meanie & a stinkypants.

I also tend to agree. Buckets are for buckets.

[jasonmx]

Ok I have still been thinking about this since my post this morning, and will be a bit more constructive based on your commets



Yes they would. But no class exists. So if you have have the inention of importing these for financhial gain it is in your best intrests to develop a proper class for them. First off you would need to aproach the clubs to see if there is a desire to run such a class within there exisitng formats (a post on KB or any other forum does not consitute such an approch, even if club representatives are present on hte forums) as well as discussing the proposals with the MNZ Road Race Commisioner, to see waht is reuqired to have the calss supported at that level and registard in the National Rule Book, as F4 and F5 currently is.





Wrong



I have nothing wrong with getting more people involed, but getting people involved on equipment that is not suited for purpose will only lead to accidents and the potential for people to get hurt. This is not the way to grow the sport. These bike are not the new FXR's.



The way I saw the spoked wheels fail once on a simular bike at Mt Welly as a result os an off, the though of anyone trying to do anything off road is just going to fuck them really quick. So I am in full support of such endevours.

I understand what you are saying, would be great if they had there own class but they are a new thing and until more people get involved, its not going to happen, especially people being negative about them, they are big overseas, just look at all the mini motard vids on Youtube, so no reason why it cant be big here.

As long as you buy a decent brand of Pit Motard bike, like Pitster Pro, or Reaper etc and the bikes are assembled and maintained correctly they are just as safe and strong as any other bike out there.

As for the last bit about offroad, not sure what you mean but they are designed to be offroad bikes.

[bogan]

I think somebody needs to put the guy straight with a succinct explanation on which rule the listed bikes break, or severely bend. Isn't the tech side of buckets all about innovation anyway, can you really fault a guy for wanting to try something a bit different?

[Pumba]

I understand what you are saying, would be great if they had there own class but they are a new thing and until more people get involved, its not going to happen, especially people being negative about them, they are big overseas, just look at all the mini motard vids on Youtube, so no reason why it cant be big here.

It is a classic chicken and the egg situation. You are saying that there is not engough out there to create a race class, but why would any one ant to buy them if no one is interested in spending the time and developing a set of rules for MNZ (or may be just a local club) to adopot and inforce.

I will ask the question, have you aproached any govening bodies or clubs about there desire to run the class or develop and ratify a set of rule, and therefore interested in promoting and supporting a fledging class untill it reaches the point of critical mass to be self surporting?

Or, are you purely interested in making money out of importing and selling them to unsuspecting punters as F4 race bikes and then walking away with the profits?

I have watched some vidoes in the past of pit bike racing, it is not for me, but still looks like good close and fun racing; however it is only one form of racing that I am sure alot of people would enjoy, but unless it is activly promoted and suported nothing will ever happen.

What I do not want to see happen in the mean time is the distruction of a formula class that has a proud long history damaged because you cant be arsed to do the hard work and/or you are just interested in making a quick profit.

As long as you buy a decent brand of Pit Motard bike, like Pitster Pro, or Reaper etc and the bikes are assembled and maintained correctly they are just as safe and strong as any other bike out there.

In regards to safety I am not refering to the quality of the bikes, although I do serioulsy question some of these tyoes of bikes on the market. I apologise if I implied this by my comments.

Based on my observations the style of riding required to ride them fast, due to the the smaller wheels, suspension set up and general bike geometry, means that the line taken are different to the other bikes on the circuit and poses and significant saftey concerns and detracts from the enjoyment of all those involved.

As for the last bit about offroad, not sure what you mean but they are designed to be offroad bikes.

Probally in hindsight not a comment that was required (failed attempt to inject humor) and detracted from the rest of my opinions.

[F5 Dave]

No, no, it was hell funny & that was what the bling was for.

[Pumba]

No, no, it was hell funny & that was what the bling was for.

I didnt see the bling for it

As a result of Daves endorsement I retract my retraction

[Yow Ling]

Maybe we need to get a rulechange to clarify position on these bikes.
The Pre 72 have a rule minimum wheel size is 18", if we had a rule that Minature road racebike had a minimum rim size of 16" that would allow virtually any roadbike from the last 1000 years and send a clear message that the existing Buckateers dislike these forigen invaders !!

[bogan]

I have watched some vidoes in the past of pit bike racing, it is not for me, but still looks like good close and fun racing; however it is only one form of racing that I am sure alot of people would enjoy, but unless it is activly promoted and suported nothing will ever happen.

Full contact mini/pit-bike racing, nitro circus makes it look pretty fun 150cc might be a bit much for that sort of carry-on though

[F5 Dave]

Maybe we need to get a rulechange to clarify position on these bikes.
The Pre 72 have a rule minimum wheel size is 18", if we had a rule that Minature road racebike had a minimum rim size of 16" that would allow virtually any roadbike from the last 1000 years and send a clear message that the existing Buckateers dislike these forigen invaders !!

Why don't you get your mate Billy onto it?

Actually its a reasonable suggestion.

[avgas]

I also tend to agree. Buckets are for substandard-125-gp-bikes.

Fixed it for you.

Nah I am just stirring.
But on that note - anyone race one of those GX125's in buckets. I would have thought they were a prime candidate these days rather than a motard. You can get them dirt cheap off trademe.

[jasonu]

Here we go again.....



Technically they might be on the fringes of the rules but unless you are at the pointy end of the competition no one is likely to lodge a protest.

Except maybe front runners who may get tangled while lapping one or anyone else whose race and series points are affected by (possible) non bucket legal machinery.
People are much better off buying a propper ready built BUCKET LEGAL bike. In the long run it will be cheaper, more competitive and more fun.

[jasonu]

ffs. If you want to race road bikes of any sort buy a fucking road bike. Stop trying to fuck up a perfectly good class (most here would argue the best mnz road class in nz) with shitty little fad toys built in mainland china.

They take different lines, and are just plain dangerous on the track and the arrogance of there owners are really starting to cause problems. The other thread deals with a lot of other issues rather than just the whole extra 5cc so is relevant to your question.

Imoh john conner should have never let them race at mt welly as it opened the fucking door. The words horse, gate, and bolted come to mind.

Fucking amen to that sista!!!!! Couldn't have said it better myself.

[jasonu]

I think somebody needs to put the guy straight with a succinct explanation on which rule the listed bikes break, or severely bend. Isn't the tech side of buckets all about innovation anyway, can you really fault a guy for wanting to try something a bit different?

There is nothing innovative about buying one of these, plasticing it up and riding it on a kart track. This guy is not wanting to 'try something a bit different', he is trying to make a bit of cash importing and selling these bikes. (just like the forza person)

[bogan]

There is nothing innovative about buying one of these, plasticing it up and riding it on a kart track. This guy is not wanting to 'try something a bit different', he is trying to make a bit of cash importing and selling these bikes. (just like the forza person)

But it could be argued he is offering an innovative solution to innovative buyers. Of course most of use would argue that its a substandard POS with completely the wrong chassis style to go up against normal buckets. Which is a point he needs to consider in marketing these if they do get through on a rule technicality; fuck all people will buy them if they get dicked on by bikes half the price.