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    Angry Battery flat, trouble starting VFR750

    aggh am at my wits end i replaced my clutch plates and left key on and dam light drained the battery

    Know i just get 2 clicks i tryed push strating the bike i done this before in 2nd gear buts it bit nasty. but since clutch is draging

    Know cause new plates its bit much by myself. i tryed jump starting from my car then my mums just does the same

    cant work this out , besides getting battery charged which means i got wait till monday ,

    So pevved of feel like trowing match in the tank hehe (not really ) anyone from ami insurance am only joking)

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    if you're getting the same result when jump starting chances are the jumper leads etc aren't connecting correctly.

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    Jumper cables should work.

    You haven't done any of the "silly little things" like knocking the kill switch off or leaving it in gear with the sidestand down have you because then the starter won't work when you hit the button?
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    Quote Originally Posted by actungbaby View Post
    aggh am at my wits end i replaced my clutch plates and left key on and dam light drained the battery

    Know i just get 2 clicks i tryed push strating the bike i done this before in 2nd gear buts it bit nasty. but since clutch is draging

    Know cause new plates its bit much by myself. i tryed jump starting from my car then my mums just does the same

    cant work this out , besides getting battery charged which means i got wait till monday ,

    So pevved of feel like trowing match in the tank hehe (not really ) anyone from ami insurance am only joking)
    Often quite hard to physically get a really good high current connection to a bike battery so that jump starting will work.
    You could buy a cheap 12V charger from the warehouse, repco, or Supercheap. These are a good thing to have anyway. If you do, connect it via a stop light bulb or similar to your bike battery for a few hours. (Bike batteries are often a bit small to take the full current.) A bit fiddly, but this should sort your troubles out.


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    Got a nice clean earth, bike in neutral, clutch in etc etc?
    Does it have running lights? If so, unplug the lights, should give you a bit less drain while cranking.
    You haven't knocked the connections on the starter relay around have you? They need a very good circuit.

    I've yet to save a bike battery once drained I have four or five old ones sitting in my garage, all stuffed
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    Ha...Thats true but life is full horrible choices sometimes Merv. Then sometimes just plain stuff happens... and then some more stuff happens.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by sootie View Post
    Often quite hard to physically get a really good high current connection to a bike battery so that jump starting will work.
    You could buy a cheap 12V charger from the warehouse, repco, or Supercheap. These are a good thing to have anyway. If you do, connect it via a stop light bulb or similar to your bike battery for a few hours. (Bike batteries are often a bit small to take the full current.) A bit fiddly, but this should sort your troubles out.

    it's not hard at all to get a 'high current' connection, connect the positive first and connect it well then connect the negative to a suitable spot on the frame (assuming it's a neg earth system, as for the rest of your advice, if someone hasn't go the nouse to connect the jumpers properly how on earth are they gonna understand that dribble?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellywrestler View Post
    it's not hard at all to get a 'high current' connection, connect the positive first and connect it well then connect the negative to a suitable spot on the frame (assuming it's a neg earth system, as for the rest of your advice, if someone hasn't go the nouse to connect the jumpers properly how on earth are they gonna understand that dribble?
    At present I have a bike with an 18 year old Yuasa battery in it still working perfectly. Several times
    I have left auxilliary electrical equipment switched on for a few days & taken the battery below 10 Volts. (Yes that was stupid!)
    My suggestion was largely based on these very successful recoveries, and a host of others with other bikes & cars over several decades.
    You have to take the tank out of my bike to access the battery terminals or starter connection. I have done this several times but prefer to avoid it for a simple flat battery. The other problem is that although the chassis is earthed, it can be surprisingly difficult to make a really good connection to it for jump start leads. (I suspect either corosion, or corosion protection coatings here.)
    Finally, if any lead acid starting battery is heavily discharged the best capacity recovery available is a long slow charge as soon as possible after the discharge. Amost any connection to the electrical system (eg via a fuse box) will work for this. Hence the suggestion to buy a charger.
    I will leave others to judge the merits of all this. cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by merv View Post
    Jumper cables should work.

    You haven't done any of the "silly little things" like knocking the kill switch off or leaving it in gear with the sidestand down have you because then the starter won't work when you hit the button?
    yes i checked those i took the battery to get it charged thanks for the reply dude , i was wondering as moved the right side coil

    But more winding over thing so maybe cog byt the clutch is jamming was bit misson getting clutch housing back on i got take it of

    And but some silicic gasket as its leaking so i try battery and know then if goes fine it be good

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    Quote Originally Posted by sootie View Post
    At present I have a bike with an 18 year old Yuasa battery in it still working perfectly. Several times
    I have left auxilliary electrical equipment switched on for a few days & taken the battery below 10 Volts. (Yes that was stupid!)
    My suggestion was largely based on these very successful recoveries, and a host of others with other bikes & cars over several decades.
    You have to take the tank out of my bike to access the battery terminals or starter connection. I have done this several times but prefer to avoid it for a simple flat battery. The other problem is that although the chassis is earthed, it can be surprisingly difficult to make a really good connection to it for jump start leads. (I suspect either corosion, or corosion protection coatings here.)
    Finally, if any lead acid starting battery is heavily discharged the best capacity recovery available is a long slow charge as soon as possible after the discharge. Amost any connection to the electrical system (eg via a fuse box) will work for this. Hence the suggestion to buy a charger.
    I will leave others to judge the merits of all this. cheers
    yes your right i will need to get a charger , was more the headlights been on with bike not going,Yuasa do make bloody good batterys

    Thanks buddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducatilover View Post
    Got a nice clean earth, bike in neutral, clutch in etc etc?
    Does it have running lights? If so, unplug the lights, should give you a bit less drain while cranking.
    You haven't knocked the connections on the starter relay around have you? They need a very good circuit.

    I've yet to save a bike battery once drained I have four or five old ones sitting in my garage, all stuffed
    yes your right there i did move the coil well unbolt it as it was in the way of one the clutch case bolts good man.

    Yeah usually re trace what has changed since was working, yes once they been left the batterys get rooted as get that crap build up on the

    plates, but this battery been fine so think more me than the bike, i got it charged today so have to wait till collect it

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellywrestler View Post
    if you're getting the same result when jump starting chances are the jumper leads etc aren't connecting correctly.
    yeah i thought so too chould be was dark when was trying it, when tryed it of my mx5 i chould hear my car engine slow so was drawing on its alternator but still not enough power as my little baby been sitting my dad garage for months , the vfr taken top dog postion

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellywrestler View Post
    if you're getting the same result when jump starting chances are the jumper leads etc aren't connecting correctly.
    Especially the jumper leads that you buy at the big red shed. Dead flat batterys need a dam good kick to start the bike. And needs to spin the motor over pretty quickly when push starting ... needs a dam big hill ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    Especially the jumper leads that you buy at the big red shed. Dead flat batterys need a dam good kick to start the bike. And needs to spin the motor over pretty quickly when push starting ... needs a dam big hill ...
    I can sit on my GN and push it to bump start it Not so successful with the 600 though
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    Ha...Thats true but life is full horrible choices sometimes Merv. Then sometimes just plain stuff happens... and then some more stuff happens.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by ducatilover View Post
    I can sit on my GN and push it to bump start it Not so successful with the 600 though
    I tried it once on my 1200. Didn't like it (me ... and the bike)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    I tried it once on my 1200. Didn't like it (me ... and the bike)
    I learned the sad way that I have a huge amount of trouble pushing an FJ, even when I'm off it.
    Being a weak little man is never good I think my bike at 200kg full wet is heavy enough
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    Ha...Thats true but life is full horrible choices sometimes Merv. Then sometimes just plain stuff happens... and then some more stuff happens.....




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