Could you have avoided this?

[jrandom]

When you turn with body weight you're still counter-steering.

I bet you also think that shaft drives can wheelie.

[swbarnett]

I bet you also think that shaft drives can wheelie.

Wouldn't have a clue. Although I have seen a photo of a GoldWing at 45degrees.

[jrandom]

I have seen a photo of a GoldWing at 45degrees.

Photoshopped.

[swbarnett]

Photoshopped.

I thought that might be the case.

[newbould]

Starts off as a nice wee thread about a guy beating up a truck and before you know it, its an argument about countersteering.

Did he wave to the biker waiting behind the truck, that's the important thing.

[Drew]

Try that with fixed bars (i.e. the front wheel can't turn). You won't go anywhere but straight.

When you turn with body weight you're still counter-steering. It's just that the force used to initiate it is not applied on the bars.

The statement being refuted, was that you cannot change the bikes direction with weight alone. Had nothing to do with counter steering.

I really wanna shoot cunts everytime this topic comes up, wonder if it'll fly as a defence in court when I go nuts and on a killing spree?

[bogan]

The statement being refuted, was that you cannot change the bikes direction with weight alone. Had nothing to do with counter steering.

I really wanna shoot cunts everytime this topic comes up, wonder if it'll fly as a defence in court when I go nuts and on a killing spree?

The problem is technically any steering is countersteering, and people love pointing out this technicality to sound superior, rather than the much more sensible lets only refer to it as countersteering if you're conciously steering it the opposite way to the corner.

Just say you were counter-aiming?

[Drew]

The problem is technically any steering is countersteering, and people love pointing out this technicality to sound superior, rather than the much more sensible lets only refer to it as countersteering if you're conciously steering it the opposite way to the corner.

Just say you were counter-aiming?

Dude, don't poke the fuckin bear. I've had nearly the worst day of my life! Do not start trying to come up with a new name for the fuckin retards to bandy about!

[bogan]

Dude, don't poke the fuckin bear. I've had nearly the worst day of my life! Do not start trying to come up with a new name for the fuckin retards to bandy about!

I meant counter aiming down the iron sights as you shoot the plonkers...

[Drew]

I meant counter aiming down the iron sights as you shoot the plonkers...

Hahahahahahaha, that's good!

[swbarnett]

The statement being refuted, was that you cannot change the bikes direction with weight alone. Had nothing to do with counter steering.

Ah, I see what you mean. In that case I totally agree with you and this is where the teminology can get us in to trouble. Counter-steering, as I was interpreting the term, is to do with what the front wheel is doing. There is another possible interpretation of the term, equally as valid, that refers to the action of the rider. It would be quite correct to say that the rider can "steer" the bike in two ways - by applying pressure to the bars or by shifting their body weight.

To put it another way. While it is true to say that a bike cannot turn without entering into a countersteer, it is also true to say that the rider doesn't have to countersteer (i.e. apply pressure to the bars) in order to turn because the bike will do this automatically as a result of rider weight shift.

[SuperMac]

The problem is technically any steering is countersteering, and people love pointing out this technicality to sound superior

Technically, what would power-sliding be, then?

Serious Q: does a rider use c-s to get the bike leant over, then power to drift the rear, and when drifting the rear is further c-s used - or replaced by adjusting the power?

[bogan]

Technically, what would power-sliding be, then?

The correct technical term is awesome.

Serious Q: does a rider use c-s to get the bike leant over, then power to drift the rear, and when drifting the rear is further c-s used - or replaced by adjusting the power?

Can't answer cos you don't say which c-s you refer to. Just get on the bike and have a go, actually, find a CRF250 or similar and have a go, while I'm sure it's doable on an R850RT, it is shark on whisky.

[R-Soul]

And yet I can ride down a large-ish hill's worth of 35kph corners with both hands behind my head and my right foot making gentle love to the rear brake.

I've always known I was special, but I didn't know I was exempted-from-the-laws-of-physics special.

Fortunately, I find my ego capable of encompassing this revelation.

Only if you are going really slowly.
Try doing chicanes at speed or taking a 90 degree bend at anuthing above 30kph...

[jrandom]

It is impossible to steer a motorbike effectively with body weight.

Nek minnit...

Only if you are going really slowly.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you lose at the internet.