Full gear all the time?

[caspernz]

I think there's at least two point of view being occasionally poorly expressed, here. The first seems to be that, since most accidents have a human error component then if we eliminate that from our riding we should be all good.

The second is simply stating that statistically, no matter how hard they try, (and let's face it, you gota assume that with the concequences such as they are most people are trying pretty hard) eventually the holes in the cheese will all line up, you're attention will be less than perfect or something completely unforseen will intefere in the real world and you'll sucumb to an undesirable event.

I don't think the two are irreconcilable, they're both perfectly valid observations. I think only a fool would ride believing he had the power to avoid every accident. Only a fool would claim he had no control over his fate.

Yep, that's my outlook. I'm not afraid of falling off my bike, or even live in fear of being involved in an unfortunate set of coincidences...but just in case...the gear will minimise the damage to the body.
And if all else fails, at least St Peter will be able to comment on my stylish gear

[Drew]

I really hate agreeing with both Jrandom and Katman, so I have a special hatred for all the cunts saying that crashing is a certainty!

If riding at all can be achieved without a crash, then statistically it is perfectly possible, to be that way without deviation.

Most people who ride have crashed a bike, but as that Katareshole so persistently correctly points out, nearly every one of them was avoidable had the rider done some stuff better. Bikers are fuckin awesome at seeing their own faults too, so I still don't know why that isn't accepted.

The one in a million out of nowhere, even stationary you were gonna get hit and crash, crash, is something I really don't think should even be discussed. If you wanna concentrate on that, get a VOLVO. Camry's are shit!

[FJRider]

I really hate agreeing with both Jrandom and Katman, so I have a special hatred for all the cunts saying that crashing is a certainty!

If riding at all can be achieved without a crash, then statistically it is perfectly possible, to be that way without deviation.

Most people who ride have crashed a bike, but as that Katareshole so persistently correctly points out, nearly every one of them was avoidable had the rider done some stuff better. Bikers are fuckin awesome at seeing their own faults too, so I still don't know why that isn't accepted.

The one in a million out of nowhere, even stationary you were gonna get hit and crash, crash, is something I really don't think should even be discussed. If you wanna concentrate on that, get a VOLVO. Camry's are shit!

Obviously ... those that can't/won't/don't crash ... will never wear safety gear (of any kind) ... because they don't NEED it

Those that DO wear it ... KNOW they MAY crash .... at some time ... maybe



Hands up those that wear safety gear ...






I thought so ...

[MystikEagle]

Obviously ... those that can't/won't/don't crash ... will never wear safety gear (of any kind) ... because they don't NEED it

Those that DO wear it ... KNOW they MAY crash .... at some time ... maybe



Hands up those that wear safety gear ...






I thought so ...

Well said!

[@ndy]

Back in the days when I was younger me and my mates used to laugh at ATGATT riders, we never used any riding gear and went at average of 80-90km/hr on modified scooters and small Aprilia bikes (back in Italy)... I guess we thought we were too good and too cool for that.
After multiple stitches, glued skin from tarmac rush (apparently t-shirts are not as protective as one might think) and double crowns on my front teeth from a close encounter with WW Polo bonnet I reconsidered the use of protective gear even for short daily rides.
Some of my mates were not so lucky and didn't have a chance to reconsider.

So I think the more gear you wear, the more skin you save ... whatever you are Doctor Rossi or the new guy on a 250.

[Drew]

Obviously ... those that can't/won't/don't crash ... will never wear safety gear (of any kind) ... because they don't NEED it

Those that DO wear it ... KNOW they MAY crash .... at some time ... maybe



Hands up those that wear safety gear ...






I thought so ...

Well said!

Oh, so people wearing what is convenient to them, just in case. That means they plan on crashing?

Use your fuckin heads.

[Fast Eddie]

And then I watch videos of legends on real bikes tearing around the isle of man in leather skull gaps and goggles. thems were men.

[Fast Eddie]

Oh, so people wearing what is convenient to them, just in case. That means they plan on crashing?

Use your fuckin heads.

its solid logic bro, its the very reason I ride in shorts and t-shirt, I plan on NOT crashing, and I wear the appropriate gear to ensure that. Sometimes no shirt at all if I really really don't wanna crash

[Berries]

The whole topic is circuitous. There are those who always wear ATGATT, those who never wear ATG and those who sometimes wear ATGATT, which isn't actually ATGATT is it but ATGSOTH, or SOTGATT or even SOTGSOTT. For arguments sake I will call it IWWWIWSGF, or I Will Wear What I Want So Get Fucked. Some people are happy being in the group that they are, and couldn't really care less what group other people are in. Then there are others who do care what others wear and these fall in to two camps. Those who might shake their head slightly when they see someone who is wearing a level below what that person considers a minimumn, and then those who have to shout about it.

If we knew for certain that we were not going to crash we could all just wear Ray Bans. We don't. So we all wear a standard of dress that meets the legal requirements and our own sense of risk perception for the particular ride, weather, conditions, ability. The thing that people often overlook is that ATGATT is just one point on that sliding scale of risk management, and it is not at the top. The bottom point on the scale is the legal minimum of the helmet, but then it goes up and there are several steps beyond ATGATT that will reduce the risk of injury in a crash if you still accept the risk of riding a bike. I feel like a graph is coming on.

[Drew]

its solid logic bro, its the very reason I ride in shorts and t-shirt, I plan on NOT crashing, and I wear the appropriate gear to ensure that. Sometimes no shirt at all if I really really don't wanna crash

Don't twist my words Kai.

I didn't imply that at all. I merely said that wearing the gear, is not planning on falling off.

[FJRider]

Don't twist my words Kai.

I didn't imply that at all. I merely said that wearing the gear, is not planning on falling off.

You don't mind twisting mine ...

Wearing the gear is a form of "Risk management" ... the risk is ALWAYS there. Wearing the gear won't (always) stop you getting hurt. Maybe it will help lessen the injuries you suffer. Maybe it wont.

But wearing the gear is ... planning to not get as badly hurt as you might, without the gear ... is that the same thing ... ???

[Fast Eddie]

Don't twist my words Kai.

I didn't imply that at all. I merely said that wearing the gear, is not planning on falling off.

nah I wasn't twisting your words. That was an independent statement all together, from me alone I'm not a fan of ATGATT, and I hate HI Viz vests, and having to have lights on all the time by law and so on and so on.. not a fan at all

[Fast Eddie]

..we could all just wear Ray Bans. We don't.

I do.......

[FJRider]

its solid logic bro, its the very reason I ride in shorts and t-shirt, I plan on NOT crashing, and I wear the appropriate gear to ensure that. Sometimes no shirt at all if I really really don't wanna crash

It does take commitment ... to plan to crash.

I never plan to crash.

But the basic safety gear I do wear.

[Drew]

You don't mind twisting mine ...

Wearing the gear is a form of "Risk management" ... the risk is ALWAYS there. Wearing the gear won't (always) stop you getting hurt. Maybe it will help lessen the injuries you suffer. Maybe it wont.

But wearing the gear is ... planning to not get as badly hurt as you might, without the gear ... is that the same thing ... ???

I didn't twist anything. You made sarcastic inuendo, I replied as succinctly as I could.

I'm all for people making their own decisions on risk management. I'm against hypocrites being judgmental, and suggesting anyone else is doing it wrong.

The reason I'm vocal about it, is that there is something fundamentally more simple that'll save bikers from getting hurt. Training. We should have bike control, should be able to see situations turning to shit, should not panic and ride straight ahead should we think we've got it wrong.

Instead, fuckwits are trying to get us to wear protective gear, to prepare for crashes WE SHOULDN'T FUCKING BE HAVING!!!!

The gear is important, but it's down my list compared to the riders using their thick cunting skulls.

Hadn't used "cunt" and felt it should be there some place...you cunts. Ohhh, twice even!