Student loans, I'M PISSED OFF!!!!!!

[oldrider]

Anything that is free is being paid for by some one else.
You want education you pay for it.
I want to ride my bike do you want to pay for that?
Labour is only interested in making history with a third term in office.
Do you want to pay for that.
What happened to the champions for the motorcyclist cause just after the election in 1999?? Cabinet Ministers shown riding their bikes!!! I can't remember their names now. One was from Napier I think. Things have sure gone backwards for us since then. Whats the solution? I don't know. I just hate bloody socialists that make rules for everyone except themselves and steal my money to pay for it. (Clark's cavalcade) Lefties are full of shit. Cheers (politically frustrated) John

[Drunken Monkey]

EDUCATION SHOULD BE FREE

No, it shouldn't. It lowers the standards as people are so PC these days they can't handle 'failing', then all we get is a big bunch of qualified know-nothings with worthless 'degrees'.
Education should be elitest.
New Zealand should be a technocracy.

[froggyfrenchman]

wouldnt mind interest free, would b able to get better bike sooner!

[poorbastard]

Instead of interest free loans I just think every student should be able to go on the benefit. Why should some people( I know not all but some) be able to sit on their ass getting paid to do nothing whle others are trying to better their education so they can be employed in the future and have to borrow to live. Education should not be free as then students would not care if the passed or not they would be living off the government. They do have a student allowance but alot of students out there get no help from their parents.

[sAsLEX]

Getting a degree of what ever you call it is almost like a bad decision in life as it will lead you to a job that pays enough to pay off your loan. Pilot, that sounds like a good idea, you can make $100,000+ a year!!! Then once you have enrolled to learn to fly, you start racking up a $200,000 debt

well my loan is pretty small, in fact $0 dollars, moved out of home at 17 after 7th form, in third year of a BE in Computer Systems Engineering, I have road bike a off road bike and some other toys, oh and no loan! in fact drawing a salary at the moment to attend uni.
There are options out there to get degrees with out gettig a huge loan, hell uni is what only like 9 months of the year, the other three and you can earn a fair bit towards fees.
As for pilots, I know a fair few who are getting world class training with gaurenteed *sp employment after for free, getting to fly in all manner of conditions and craft that will teach them skills that will make them invaluable to civilian employers.


oh yeah "YAVN EHT NOIJ, YAVN EHT NOIJ!"

[TwoSeven]

I think parents should stop be tight fisted buggers and spend the 20 years that their kids are growing up saving for their education. That way the government would only have to deal with those of us that are less fortunate.

[John]

I had 17 hour days as a student. Study for weekends and any spare time I spent with my family. I agree that any Govt just wants us to bend over, but you speak of only a fraction of students. There are plenty just there to get ahead John, not for the student culture...

I'd love to be able to agree with you, but I actually have to quit my course because my loans are to big, I cant even afford to fill up my fuel tank (seriously), I'd hate to think how the aucklanders get on - so I think you see where I am comming from (other than stirring shit) - I just hate the way the government covers up their homo policys with cool breathtaking crap like this, its a blanket it is, we need to stop hiding and actually get what we want ... But I'm just one of many - I'm sure others get on fine

[inlinefour]

I'd love to be able to agree with you, but I actually have to quit my course because my loans are to big, I cant even afford to fill up my fuel tank (seriously), I'd hate to think how the aucklanders get on - so I think you see where I am comming from (other than stirring shit) - I just hate the way the government covers up their homo policys with cool breathtaking crap like this, its a blanket it is, we need to stop hiding and actually get what we want ... But I'm just one of many - I'm sure others get on fine

Don't quit, keep going. I thought of quitting also, bloody glad I did not now as I never have to worry about getting a job now. Most wards I visit offer me a job. Sell your bike since you can't afford to run it and use the funds to continue. Eventually you'll be able to afford better once finished. Sure my long days involved attending my course and then going straight to work (which I would have not been able to complete my Ba had I not had such an AWESOME boss : Peoples' Meats, N.P.). I really can't think of anything worse, not finishing the course and still having a loan, bugger that. Make the ultimate sacrifice lad, you'll understand why once your working again. Heck, I only had a crusty mountian bike when I started my Ba. To have toys, one has to work, sad but true

[justsomeguy]

"YAVN EHT NOIJ, YAVN EHT NOIJ!"

Thats what I thought, so put my name down for the YRMA, got selected and went down to Officers Selection in Wellington and saw what a hard life you buggers lead........

I don't think a lot of us want to tough it out...... FULL RESPECT to those of you in the services though, you guys ......

As for the student loans, I feel it's better to have them interest free only if you A. pass your papers
B. interest free for 2 years after your graduation
C. only for full time students

[Lou Girardin]

The student loan policy is fact. It will not be changed. Unless the Nats win.
And I hardly think that because some students had to pay interest, that all students should for evermore.
Charging students interest on loans was scandalous from the day it was introduced. Especially being introduced by people who had free education.
Whether it's 300 million or a billion, it's still a far better investment than the 100's of millions pissed down the drain in treaty settlements.

[justsomeguy]

my bike no... must never give up - only woman in my life need her love ... nah I will just continue the course in a couple of years no biggie :\ thanks for the words of wisdom though

hey John --- that is a biggie mate - PLEASE don't drop out - finish it now. Once you get used to not having homework you will never want to go back

Also it's better to get it over with as early as possible.......... trust me. You don't want to be 20 something in Uni, when you could be a 20 something earning 50-60K a year, which you would with what you're studying.

[inlinefour]

hey John --- that is a biggie mate - PLEASE don't drop out - finish it now. Once you get used to not having homework you will never want to go back

Also it's better to get it over with as early as possible.......... trust me. You don't want to be 20 something in Uni, when you could be a 20 something earning 50-60K a year, which you would with what you're studying.

I graduated at 30, wasted sooooooooo many years doing shit jobs for peanuts

[laRIKin]

Well I must say it good to see that most people can see though the BS.

It goes down with, was the car speeding? I did paint that. There are more,
but because its raining I'v been drinking and can not remember.

Maybe we should start a thread lies that PM's have said in the last 3 years.
And I do mean all parties and that would be interesting.
We the public forget so easily and quickly.

[Jantar]

The student loan policy is fact. It will not be changed. Unless the Nats win.
And I hardly think that because some students had to pay interest, that all students should for evermore.
Charging students interest on loans was scandalous from the day it was introduced. Especially being introduced by people who had free education.
Whether it's 300 million or a billion, it's still a far better investment than the 100's of millions pissed down the drain in treaty settlements.

Who are these students who had free education?

When I was at university, the bursary paid 90% of course fees and gave a small cash payment. In my case that cash payment paid for one text book with enough left over to buy a pencil and rubber. The rest of the cost had to be met out the student's pocket. There were no living allowances etc, and the only way to pay for study was to have part time work. many students dropped out because the simply couldn't afford the costs.

The student loan system is a big improvement over those days. Remember it isn't mandatory to take out a loan, students are still free to get a job while they study.

[Steve Taly]

The student loan policy is fact. It will not be changed. Unless the Nats win.
And I hardly think that because some students had to pay interest, that all students should for evermore.
Charging students interest on loans was scandalous from the day it was introduced. Especially being introduced by people who had free education.
Whether it's 300 million or a billion, it's still a far better investment than the 100's of millions pissed down the drain in treaty settlements.

They will piss millions down the drain in treaty settlements too,but don't worry,those earning over 65k a year will be deemed by Cullen as filthy rich and taxed at 48c/$ to pay for it all.