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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    it's hard to explain to someone who has never really used one, so use one & find out... it's the small things that count, attention to detail. Little things you wouldn't notice unless you suddenly find yourself without. These are among what make Apple the "best". Even simple things like OS X icons being 512 pixels or 1024px in 10.7.4-> (& the detail held within) help to make it a much more pleasurable experience.
    If you love *nix so much then why don't you use your favourite flavour of Linux? There are so many different versions that you will certainly find something you like. Also, fuck paying double the price so you can have pretty icons.

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    Nice to see so many answers not assisting OP at all.

    Forget rooting, forget increasing performance, the average person doesn't care. They just want it to work. Hell, even I just want some shit to work. I don't need to tweak every single device in range all the time...

    The iPad is the sort of device that is excellent for what it does well. However, once you start trying to do extra stuff on them outside of it's strengths, then yes, you quickly find it limiting. It's sort of hard to explain unless you've experienced it, but I've had a few clients get them, all smitten with the craze of Apple, then start asking to do things which it struggles to do, expecting some kind of laptop functionality. It's not a magic device. You basically have to have iTunes to function with the iPad, and it will sync all sorts of things, oh, but not Photos... it's these little gotchas that start becoming annoying fast.

    Apple controls everything about it's products incredibly strictly, and this is starting to limit the use of their devices... ie, under app rules you can't make things too similar to their offerings etc.

    Android is more open, but yeah, it's gonna want a Google account enough that you may as well have one, as it gives the device more functionality. In my experience (worked with client iPads, iPhones and have a Galaxy SIII) android is more functional, and at least for me, much easier to navigate. iOS drives me nuts with it's simplicity and lack of options, however, I'm a technical user.

    Getting back to basics, if you need the device for web browsing, then either will suffice. Android has flash, so you get that. It's also cheaper than the Apple offerings (Apple's control again).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post

    Apple controls everything about it's products incredibly strictly, and this is starting to limit the use of their devices... ie, under app rules you can't make things too similar to their offerings etc.

    Android is more open, but yeah, it's gonna want a Google account enough that you may as well have one, as it gives the device more functionality. In my experience (worked with client iPads, iPhones and have a Galaxy SIII) android is more functional, and at least for me, much easier to navigate. iOS drives me nuts with it's simplicity and lack of options, however, I'm a technical user.

    Getting back to basics, if you need the device for web browsing, then either will suffice. Android has flash, so you get that. It's also cheaper than the Apple offerings (Apple's control again).
    Exactly. I don't know why people would want a device that's so heavily restricted and the whole iTunes bullshit makes it even worse. We really should be supporting open source developers instead of Apple who wants to screw everyone one over for every single cent that they can. In either case, with Apple you're still always paying a premium price for an inferior product. ALWAYS.

    It's not just the products that I'm against, it's mainly the business model that they have. In many cases Apple charge around double, even 3 times the price for the same product. I'm not exactly as ignorant as the average sheep when it comes to these sorts of things (although I'm far from an expert), but I don't believe it's ethical to conduct business in such a manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMOKEU View Post
    It's not just the products that I'm against, it's mainly the business model that they have. In many cases Apple charge around double, even 3 times the price for the same product. I'm not exactly as ignorant as the average sheep when it comes to these sorts of things (although I'm far from an expert), but I don't believe it's ethical to conduct business in such a manner.
    It's called capitalism and shareholders. If they return well, the shareholders are happy... businesses are in existence to make money.

    It's a very slippery slope when you try to arbitrarily decide what's too much money and what's not. Let's also remember that most big companies are out to wring every cent from you, even Google and Android. Winning the minds of consumers (and/or locking them into their ecosystem) is massive to the companies (Apple/Microsoft/Google). Nothing is "free". It may be delivered free, because they get something else, like your buying patterns etc.

    edit: Oh, and if I seemed very Pro Android, the shit battery life and it constantly running apps I never asked for drives me nuts. Apple is no better in this regard... I can't uninstall a lot of it either. No point debating rooting, because most don't, nor can I have something highly modified and expect to test stuff on behalf of clients.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jane Omorogbe from UK MSN on the KTM990SM
    It's barking mad and if it doesn't turn you into a complete loon within half an hour of cocking a leg over the lofty 875mm seat height, I'll eat my Arai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post
    Nice to see so many answers not assisting OP at all.
    The whole apple thing is getting like the scottish thread! The fanboi haters are just as annoying as the fanbois now
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    I have had unlimited use of an Ipad for about a year, but recently bought a Galaxy 10.1. To be honest, to me they just seem very similar, format, functions, ease of use etc. I thought the sound was slightly better on the Galaxy but that's about it really. Oh, and cheaper too!
    I run a windows phone, and would definitely consider Android phone next time. So have tried the major technological experiences I guess.

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    Have had windows in the workplace/home for yrs, android phones as well. Constant frustration with windows and anything thats associated with windows.
    Xmas time we changed, use iMacs, their word & spreadsheet programs fully functional and beautiful in their simplicity, added a couple of iphone4's lovely reliable, simple to use, and an iPad and its the same, no issues networking shifting files, bla bla bla, have an itv unit as well no need to visit the movie store just download and watch.

    One day you will see the light, took me a long time but no regrets
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMOKEU View Post
    Exactly. I don't know why people would want a device that's so heavily restricted and the whole iTunes bullshit makes it even worse. We really should be supporting open source developers instead of Apple who wants to screw everyone one over for every single cent that they can. In either case, with Apple you're still always paying a premium price for an inferior product. ALWAYS.

    It's not just the products that I'm against, it's mainly the business model that they have. In many cases Apple charge around double, even 3 times the price for the same product. I'm not exactly as ignorant as the average sheep when it comes to these sorts of things (although I'm far from an expert), but I don't believe it's ethical to conduct business in such a manner.
    No offence, but you sir are an ignorant fool
    and "double, even 3 times the price"??? fuck knows what you're comparing but it aint "apples with apples" (pun intended) or like for like

    Quote Originally Posted by Quasi View Post
    I have had unlimited use of an Ipad for about a year, but recently bought a Galaxy 10.1. To be honest, to me they just seem very similar, format, functions, ease of use etc. I thought the sound was slightly better on the Galaxy but that's about it really. Oh, and cheaper too!
    I run a windows phone, and would definitely consider Android phone next time. So have tried the major technological experiences I guess.
    Yea I had a little play with both today (but it's fucking hard to judge these sort of products without full reign of them) both very similar, iPad seemed more intuitive to me out of the box, also the Galaxy keyboard seemed a little "off" (sorry don't know how to explain it) not slow or anything but not quite right & didn't seem to "autocorrect" like the iPad does, I have also heard the iPad gets better batt life by a couple hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    also the Galaxy keyboard seemed a little "off" (sorry don't know how to explain it) not slow or anything but not quite right & didn't seem to "autocorrect" like the iPad does, I have also heard the iPad gets better batt life by a couple hours.
    Wouldn't be surprised by the battery life of an iPad. I think it was the insides of an original I saw, maybe 2. It's basically all battery, with a tiny bit at one end for CPU etc.

    Re keyboard, I didn't like the stock keyboard on my Galaxy, and got Swiftkey. That takes auto-correction to the next level, suggesting the next word, not just the current word as you type it. You can end up tapping on several words in a row if you're using a common phrase and it will learn (I suspect it's after the 2nd time you type the word). Again... it's all apps (with both devices), and you'll probably be surprised how much you can end up spending on them. I suspect the Apple is more expensive in this regard... I use very few bought apps on android, mostly free ones. Apple, it's a hard slog to find many good free ones...

    The Galaxy SIII is my 6th smartphone I think, been using them for about 5-6 years. With client use included, I've used pretty much everything. Windows, Symbian, Palm, BlackBerry, iOS and Android. I still prefer the physical keyboard on BlackBerry to all else, but otherwise the Galaxy/Android experience has been good. Wish it had better battery life tho. Needs daily charging, and if I used it heavily, it wouldn't last a day. It's only a couple of months old, so I don't really want to see 1-2 years down the track
    Quote Originally Posted by Jane Omorogbe from UK MSN on the KTM990SM
    It's barking mad and if it doesn't turn you into a complete loon within half an hour of cocking a leg over the lofty 875mm seat height, I'll eat my Arai.

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    Gremlin if you're round a few Galaxy's maybee you could also help with a rumour I've been hearing?
    In my investigations I've seen it claimed the Chinese made Galaxy's may not be such good quality (which are usually the cheaper ones) from little inconstancies & flaws through to straight up unreliable/breaking. The Vietnam & Korean ones seem to be better builds, with Korean apparently the best
    Have you met any problems with them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post

    edit: Oh, and if I seemed very Pro Android, the shit battery life and it constantly running apps I never asked for drives me nuts. Apple is no better in this regard... I can't uninstall a lot of it either. No point debating rooting, because most don't, nor can I have something highly modified and expect to test stuff on behalf of clients.
    I've had my overclocked Cyanogenmod phone for around 4 months now. The performance increase is like night and day, and battery life is significantly improved. Stability is better than standard, and I frequently get over 200 hours uptime before I reboot. How's that for an unstable, barely useable OS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    No offence, but you sir are an ignorant fool
    and "double, even 3 times the price"??? fuck knows what you're comparing but it aint "apples with apples" (pun intended) or like for like
    Just look at their Mac Pro prices. Try upgrading the HDD or RAM. It comes out to about 3X normal retail price. Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    As for why I want one... present for the lady
    WTF kind of man are you (and everyone else that's responded)? Querying the technical merits of a pressie for the missus where all she wants is something that looks pretty and that she can accessorise the hell out of. See, that's the reason for the confusion... wondering what features she'll like so that when she opens it you can say, on I bought it because it's got x, y and z (none of which she'll understand) instead of, and look at the accessory list for it. Job done. You're welcome
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    I've used both and they each have their fundamental pro's and con's.

    Apples big advantage is that they have total control over the rules governing how the software is written, so it always works (not always well - as with their latest map software). Disadvantage is that they have total control over the rules governing how the software is written, so not much good free stuff around.

    Androids big advantage is that it is open source so there is a huge software choice, much of it free. Disadvantage is because it is open source each manufacturer has to have a play to make their own 'flavour', which makes it hit or miss whether the software works with your device.

    My current tool of choice is the Galaxy Note as it serves as a small pad and a large phone, so I only use one device.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FLUB View Post

    Sent using morse code from my panic room.
    Did not think anyone knew what that was any more! -.-./..../././.-./... T

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    Quote Originally Posted by sootie View Post
    Did not think anyone knew what that was any more! -.-./..../././.-./... T
    For those you who are not old radio geeks, you can download morse code translation apps from both Apple and Android

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