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    Just coincidentally there was a Battle of Britain commemorative church service in town today. My only participation was to listen to the fly past go over my house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    If that is the case then ironic that RR are now German owned
    Cars yes, Marine and Aerospace I don't think so. They are separate companies. I have a client who is a marine engineer who works (worked...) all over the world. Interesting bloke with great photos on his phone - if you're into really fucking big engines and stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Neither do I?
    Its odd in that the Hurricane shot down more German aircraft in the BOB than all other British aircraft combined, so to suggest it wasn't a fighter would bea special kind of stupid in the extreme.
    Is there anyone that stupid on KB?
    From memory though, most of those were Bombers.

    The Spitfire was the Air-superiority fighter, whereas the Hurricane was a more stable Gun platform - allowing it to deal enough damage to take out multi-engined Bombers.

    Interestingly enough, it's this same stability that meant it's transition into the Ground-Attack role was also effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    From memory though, most of those were Bombers.

    Bugger me, how old are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    From memory though, most of those were Bombers.

    The Spitfire was the Air-superiority fighter, whereas the Hurricane was a more stable Gun platform - allowing it to deal enough damage to take out multi-engined Bombers.

    Interestingly enough, it's this same stability that meant it's transition into the Ground-Attack role was also effective.
    The purpose of the initial raids on England was to destroy the air defense network prior to the planned German invasion (Operation Sea Lion). Primarily the fighter airfields and radar were targeted. That was the Battle of Britain. Bombers then low level fighters with more bombs on individual targets hit the Airfields ... and then shooting up aircraft, fuel tanks and hangers. They almost succeeded in wiping out the entire Fighter force.

    But Hitler ordered a change to the bombing of the cities instead ... as reprisal for the nightly air raids on Germany. German fighters escorted them ... but they were too short in numbers to make a difference in the outcome.

    That was the break Britain needed. Time to replace their depleted fighter force numbers.

    Not much time ... but enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    ... the Hurricane shot down more German aircraft in the BOB than all other British aircraft combined.
    The Hurricane accounted for 60% of the German losses in the Battle of Britain. But there were more Hurricanes flying than Spitfires ... so probably understandable that Hurricanes shot down more aircraft.
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    I was always told that the Hurricane was s very good ground attack plane. Never looked further into it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george formby View Post
    Bugger me, how old are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post


    Araldite is a brand name, not an adhesive.
    The mossie started off using casein adhesive (milk solids based) but this is shit in moist environments. Urea formaldehyde ( "Aerolite " ) became the common pruduction glue for the mossie (wise move).
    Resorcinal is different again.

    Epoxy for the win! (but not that 5-min crap.) Did you know that to get an epoxy to set in 5 mins you sacrifice 75% of its strength?

    from what I can find
    Resorcinal is the glue for the plywood its still used as was the key as prior there was no water proof plywood.

    There are variations as to the exact content of different brands. erodux 500 calls itself Resorcinol-Phenol-Formaldehyde, whereas Cascophen refers to its glue as Resorcinol-Formaldehyde
    In practical terms resorcinol contains a significant amount of naturally occuring phenols and is similar in action and waterproof qualities to the synthetic phenol formaldehyde glues. Here is my page on Phenol formaldehyde glue.


    HomeUrea Formaldehyde glueStitch & Glue BoatbuildingPolyurethanePlansBooks about Boats
    Resorcinol Glue
    For most amateur boatbuilders Resorcinol is an echo from the past. They might have heard it mentioned in an old book, or some crusty woodworker might have raved about it. Few have ever seen it on sale and fewer have used it. Here is some information.

    If I were to say I have a glue that can glue wood. Is immensely strong. Can withstand immersion in salt and fresh water. Does not soften in high heat and become brittle in low temperatures. Has proven its long term effectiveness. Is chemically resistant to acids solvents and oils. Can glue Oak and oily woods. It is harder, slightly stronger in sheer joints, and more permanent than epoxy. You would be overjoyed and would ask what this wonder glue is called.

    I would answer it's Resorcinol Glue!!

    Many of the boats restored by Howard Percival Johnson were built using resorcinol. Check him out at Old Time World Some eye candy for old motorboat lovers.

    What is Resorcinol
    Resorcinol is a simple molecule of benzene with 2 Hydroxy bits. It's produced either by using a natural resin such as a distillate of brazilwood and combining it with potassium hydroxide, or by several synthetic methods. This resorcinol is then further treated to produce the wonder adhesives.
    THIS IS NOT A CHEMISTRY ARTICLE. If you are interested in the chemistry, check out the Wikipedia Resorcinol Chemistry Article. This is the basis for Resorcinol glue

    There are variations as to the exact content of different brands. Aerodux 500 calls itself Resorcinol-Phenol-Formaldehyde, whereas Cascophen refers to its glue as Resorcinol-Formaldehyde. Since the claims from all manufacturers are similar in major traits I will not differentiate and when I say resorcinol or resorcinol formaldehyde I am not saying anything about a specific brand. Differences occur in the setting times, and ideal moisture content of the substrates, for example. All brands claim to be superior waterproof, structural adhesives. All brands have similar warnings and procedures.

    In practical terms resorcinol contains a significant amount of naturally occuring phenols and is similar in action and waterproof qualities to the synthetic phenol formaldehyde glues. Here is my page on Phenol formaldehyde glue.

    Grasp Resorcinol Adhesive Data Sheet is typical. Available in Australia, it's worth having a look. Others data sheets can be found fromt he links on the left.

    What are the Advantages of Resorcinol Glue?
    It is Waterproof with a capital W. Passes the boil test with flying colours, AND has been keeping boats together for a great many years. It is one of the few adhesives around that stay strong when wet for extended periods. Outside conditions are not a deterrant for using this glue.
    Chemically stable after it has set. It resists Acids, salt water, solvents, oils and most other things. It is sensitive to alkalis.
    It is strong. Currently one of its main use is to put together plywood, laminated support beams and other wooden structural elements. Wooden airplanes frameworks have long been glued with resorcinol formulations.
    Because it has been around for a long time it has been tested under countless different conditions, and it has passed the long term reliability test.
    Resorcinol can withstand a wide range of useful temperatures when cured. It is safe for outside temperature anywhere on this planet. Unlike epoxy it does not soften when it gets warm. It shows no creep and does not get brittle in sub zero conditions
    After curing it can be used in a wide range of humidity condition including varying conditions.
    Resorcinol can be used as an adhesive for oak and oily woods. Epoxy is noted as a poor oak glue.
    Pot life after mixing can be several hours. This is dependant on ambient temperature.
    Some formulations can glue wood with quite high moisture content. Best results are at about 12% but satisfactory results have been achieved in the 6-25% range with specialized brands. See technical sheets for more information.
    Metal surfaces can be bonded with appropriate preparation and primers.

    What are the Disadvantages of using Resorcinol Glues?
    It has very poor gap filling capacity. Your joints must be good.
    Joints and laminations must be tightly clamped or pressed, often for several hours at room temperature, to be successful. Resorcinol does not like a thick glue joint.


    https://www.christinedemerchant.com/...esorcinol.html
    So great for the ply but shit for the joining of the two halves.

    Casein was used for early mozzy, I am well familiar with it as I grew up in the dairy industry. yes it don't like getting wet. its still used on beer bottle labels as well as some plastics.
    Aeorlite according to one page with no supporting documents was used on mozzys following on from the Casein
    there was also something like 300 screws in the wings alone as well.
    The BBC did a program on Resorcinal and the mozzy I will see if I can find it.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peo...a7336433.shtml
    closest I can find.


    What I cant see is why they needed to coat the plane in doped fabric afterwards, unless it was to get it flush or maybe for weather proofing?

    looking at the curing an molding tech the Mozzys plannels were molded around concretty and hardwood forms
    The Duramold and Haskelite process was first developed in 1937, followed by Gene Vidal's Weldwood and later the Aeromold process produced by the Timm Aircraft Company. In the United Kingdom, the De Havilland Aircraft Company (founded by Geoffrey de Havilland, a cousin of Olivia de Havilland, the actress who dated Howard Hughes in 1938) used similar composite construction for aircraft including the DH.88 Comet, DH.91 Albatross, the Mosquito, and Vampire. The aeromold process differs in that it is baked at a low 100 °F at cutting and forming, and 180 °F for fusing together sections after the resins are added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    there was also something like 300 screws in the wings alone as well.
    Which reminds me... Several mentions of cabinet making type woodworkers in the thread but possibly even more relevant would have been boat builders.
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    I keep trying to remember the simulator at Wigram in the visitors upstairs mezzanine floor is that a mossie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Which reminds me... Several mentions of cabinet making type woodworkers in the thread but possibly even more relevant would have been boat builders.
    Pleasure craft builders but t wouldn't most have been tried up with boat ie life rafts etc?
    Those same plywood techs and glues were also used on the large Gliders later and I guess the landing crafts
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    Has anyone here had a flight in a mossie?

    compared to a hurricane or spitfire or similar.

    wondered what the feeling was like and if you ever forgot the thrill.

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