Problems with Motorsport New Zealand. Maybe MNZ isn't so bad

[Kevin G]

Actually I prefer the Special Olympics one, non-pc that it is.

But the point remains, does it not, that legitemate, reasonable questions have been asked, and the people whose job it is to answer them are refusing to do so. And sure, they're volunteers and all that but the fact is they are there to do a job, they said they'd do it, and yet what comes back is smart arse comments and a smug attitude, and a refusal to engage the members directly, on probably the best way to ensure the maximum exposure especially to persons taking a casual (or at least irregular) interest.

And maybe the rank and file are being unreasonable, maybe it was discussed, maybe it is all for the good, but the point is that the people whose job it is to explain it and convince the plebs treat them with the same respect that rank and file get treated by any politician.

Bad show.

Hey Tim
Sorry the simple fact is I just do not have the time to sit here and type out all the reasons and whys and wherefores. I do not disagree they are valid questions but your club selected reps to be your ears and eyes and voice, they are your best initial point of contact. As Billy has said the info was there before and it will be back on the website soon.
It is not my job to explain it to anyone. My role is as a Board Member that is responsible for governance not management or operations. Talk directly to the recreational commissioner Paul Searancke or call the office and talk to Vicky. As I need to take a day off work tomorrow to attend an MNZ board meeting in Auckland I must return to work now.

[Drew]

As requested ....



The other one is more appropriate though cos there sure as hell isn't going to be a winner out of this argument.

You know something we don't bro?

Looks like MNZ have pushed something through at members cost, without disclosing it as per the constitution.

Internet or not, I'm gonna yell at any cunt about it that is responsible for it.

[Drew]

I'm pretty pissed off about this aye. I really hope that someone runs against JT again for MNZ pres, then fires him as director of this new company. That the members own, and didn't know about.

Something else that's kinda fucking me off. To all the people who did know about it, why has it not been bought up till now?

[Dave-]

Pretty sure I was invited to the AGM...

[scrivy]

Pretty sure I was invited to the AGM...

You'd know if you got the financials etc...

[Skunk]

If you have an MNZ licence you get the reports, accounts and you're invited to the AGM etc. If you don't have a licence or are not a member of an affiliated club then MNZ has nothing to do with you. I said 'you' - not the sport. If you really want to be involved in having a say in the sport join a club at least. Whining after the fact is not 'being involved'.

MNZ is the controlling body for affiliated clubs (and promotors).
Riders Division is (as I understand it) separate from MNZ and is to support non-competition based aspects of motorcycling.

[Drew]

If you have an MNZ licence you get the reports, accounts and you're invited to the AGM etc. If you don't have a licence or are not a member of an affiliated club then MNZ has nothing to do with you. I said 'you' - not the sport. If you really want to be involved in having a say in the sport join a club at least. Whining after the fact is not 'being involved'.

MNZ is the controlling body for affiliated clubs (and promotors).
Riders Division is (as I understand it) separate from MNZ and is to support non-competition based aspects of motorcycling.

Pretty sure I was a member when the AGM was held.

And even if I wasn't. Since MNZ want to put their hands out for government money, to have a say in road riding, I've got as much right to know about it as you payed up members!

[scott411]

Pretty sure I was a member when the AGM was held.

And even if I wasn't. Since MNZ want to put their hands out for government money, to have a say in road riding, I've got as much right to know about it as you payed up members!

the books are pretty easy to find, http://www.business.govt.nz/companie...es/otherSearch

not sure why the latest annual report is not up on the new website, 2010 is the last one listed,

as to the question about why it was only brought up now, I only found out about it last week as well, I check the MNZ website frequently and can not remember anything being on there, (not saying it wasn't, just i have not seen it)

[Pumba]

Hmm, well this thread stirred up a few people. Not my intention but oh well. In the interest of fair journalism MSNZ have respond in the newsletter sent out this week, so I thought I would post it up as well.

"Hi Chris

If I could just add my bit to this. Dave Dovey along with the other Directors resigned as Directors of MPL and do not have any involvement now in the decisions of that Company. Dave Dovey was appointed to the new Board which was put in place earlier in the year under the Chairmanship of John Fowke he had never taken the Company over. Kerry Cooper and Martin Fine resigned from the management side of the Company and the remaining MPL staff were made redundant when it was decided by the Shareholders that the Company cease trading. The Company is now in the hands of the owners (the shareholders) who have appointed a liquidator to wind the company up. I must correct you on the makeup of the Board of Directors on TMC/MPL which had two MSNZ appointed directors, one appointed by the shareholding clubs and two independent directors.

MPL is now out of the equation as far as the promotion of MSNZ's Championships. MSNZ's Championships, as Dave points out, are being co-ordinated by myself, Amanda and Geoff and the events run as a partnership between the Sport and its Affiliated Clubs and Circuit Owners. This arrangement is for this year only and the running and promotion of those Championships moving forward form part of the brief of the Organisational Review Panel in consultation with members.

I believe that the heading for your piece "MotorSport NZ Fiasco" is misleading. People need to get their heads around the fact that the issues currently facing the Sport have been as a result of egos and disagreement within the commercial side of the sport. MotorSport New Zealand the governing body has not been responsible for or involved in the actions that have been taken by the various groups. The important fact to remember is that Central Muscle Cars, SuperTourers, Suzuki Swift, V8 Utes are not lost as classes to New Zealand Motorsport and they continue to run and play at MSNZ permitted events under the rules and regulations set out in the National Sporting Code. Discussions between SuperTourers and MotorSport New Zealand in respect of moving forward together are progressing well.

It is also useful to note that TMC as the commercial promoter of Tier 1 did a fantastic job over many years and contributed back to the governing body and its members significant cash benefits. The company, like many, has been hit by the current economic times and the breakaway of SuperTourers from VEEGA/NZV8 and taking with it a number of competitors from the NZV8 Championship Category did not help matters either. As you rightly point out in your article, that has resulted in VEEGA taking legal action against those Directors, who at the time of that split, were Directors of VEEGA. I would like to reiterate to you, as has been previously stated, that MSNZ is not a party to that legal action.

MSNZ is in good financial heart, it has a great team of staff and it is currently undertaking a review of its organisational structure as per the Remit passed at Conference in May. There are a lot of positive things happening within our sport. Historic Racing is growing, grass roots motorsport is providing the opportunities for new competitors to get involved through an increasing number of events.

MotorSport New Zealand is committed to a vibrant and growing sport and I really think it is about time all the knocking stopped and that Clubs and individuals start assisting with some positive support rather than trying to kick the shit out of the organisation.

Regards

Brian Budd

General Manager, MotorSport New Zealand"

And

Hi team

Interesting how the rumour mill gets distorted!

As all this is going around, I thought I would give you all an update from my perspective

MPL

The MPL directors decided the best way forward, until the MSNZ constitutional review is completed, was to have MSNZ administer the championship series. The announcement was slow in coming our fuelling speculation. Did not help with TV3's slanted views either and some misleading news coming from other parties

There were a number of reasons for this decision, the main one being that MPL did not have any sufficient cash reserves and given the current climate, the sponsors were reluctant to commit until some direction was found for the coming season. MPL therefore needed to reduce costs significantly including the staff overhead and expenses. With the current staffing at MSNZ and with the welcome aid of Geoff Short and some volunteers including myself, we were confident we could put together the series with a reduced overhead structure and partnering with the ROC (Race Organising Clubs), concerned

All the directors resigned at the same time but the companies office would not allow all to resign, leaving no directors, so mine being the last name, is still there. I am working on this currently to be removed as I am not involved in any decisions currently being made

Amanda, Geoff and Brian Budd are now putting together the championship series, and my involvement is now minimal

IN my view the future success or otherwise going forward will hinge on the outcome of the talks between SuperTourers and MSNZ. Something needs to happen soon but dealing with the personalities has its challenges. I am not involved in these in any form

CMC

See also Chris Watson's perception that we kicked out CMC. As we are all aware because CMC chose to attend a SuperTourers meeting in preference to the IRC meeting they usually do, they were then only intending to do 2 of our 6 rounds. When they joined they had undertaken to do all our round but never had. After talks with John Elliot, CMC president, they agreed they were not in a position to support the IRC concept and withdrew their membership.

Interestingly SuperTourers say they are now a support class to them. Their usual one sided spin!, but the reality is CMC are doing 3 with the National Race Calendar and 3 with SuperTourers plus a independent meeting. They are truly independent and provide a great show which gives them choice

Chris,

I would welcome you sending this response to all who got your first newsletter. This will go some way to keeping the facts correct in relation to IRC anyway. I would appreciate viewing before you sent out if you intend to edit

An unhappy place Motorsport politics is currently, but I urge you all not to loose faith in those who are trying to hold it together. All takes time. There does need to be more transparency and communication from MSNZ but from seeing this from inside, my vote would be to ensure MSNZ and the sport, keep some control over the Championship series rather than to those who will use its for their own gain. Just needs more control, which has not been there in the past

Cheers

David Dovey

Chairman, Independent Race Classes Inc"

Draw you own conclusions

[ellipsis]

Hmm, well this thread stirred up a few people. Not my intention but oh well. In the interest of fair journalism MSNZ have respond in the newsletter sent out this week, so I thought I would post it up as well.
Draw you own conclusions

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