New speed cameras

**willytheekid** · 9th October 2012, 10:59

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

crap my last ticket was in a 50km'h zone i watched the cop checked my speedo still got a ticket, went to a speedo tech, got a certificate that it was way out, went to the warrant people who stated 'if they think a speedo is out they'll take it up the motorway with a vechile they ''know'' is right. (bull fucking shit).
my point is the law is that you must have a warrant by a GOVERNMENT APPROVED agent, yet said agent does NOTHING NOW to ensure that you speedo is accurate, yet the GOVERNMENT APPOINTED police will serve you a ticket.
to me that simply smarts of a breach of human rights.

And the easy solution would be??? a few of those speed display units on the 100km/h areas so i can then check my speedos accuracy, where are they? not in the 100 zones. 80 and 50 yes but speedos do vary at differnt speeds

BTW who the fuck charged you $300 my tech was around $50

If you are disputing a ticket in regards to speedo inacuraccy, you must go to a "approved speedo testing/recalibration service center"...not a standard garage etc.
The cost is usually the same as a recalibration....some places can & will charge even more than $300!!...Ive heard of costs ranging from $200-$400!

Which is why the AA disagrees with the process...its to costly for drivers to prove or take the risk that a ticket has been issued against a machine tolerance instead of actual speed tolerance, and most recalibration sites use the mecahnical standard of upto 10% allowance!...so even if your speedo shows 100kph and the true speed is 109kph...its a pass, So that ticket for 108 in a 100 zone still stands as your speedo is deemed acurate??...its a bulshit process when combined with these new speed "tolerances"...just serves to prove that these two laws are at odds with each other and the standard road user can be fined for unknowingly "speeding"....cash cows we are indeed!

**TimeOut** · 9th October 2012, 11:13

Originally Posted by pete376403

I can't believe no speed camera vans have been torched at the roadside yet (or have they?)

A few years ago someone

through same nail clusters (the ones that always have a nail up) in a well known camera van haunt (under an over bridge on the northern motorway out of Dunedin)

Result four flats

**FJRider** · 9th October 2012, 13:48

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

yet there is nowhere to legally establish that your speedo is indeed accurate, it used to be that when you got your warrant of fitness the speedo accuracy had to be established to a point until they brought in this 4km/h tolerance shit and it magically got written out of the whole thing!!!!!!

It is actually written into legislation, that the onus is on the driver to ensure they travel within the posted speed limit. Modern small GPS units are available ... probably cheaper than a few tickets too ....

For as long as I've been driving ... proof of accuracy of the speedometer was never required. They just had to work. And to check accuracy ... various pieces or road (usually straight bits) had measured miles (now days in kilometers) for which you had to (could) check odometer was reading correctly and you timed the distance at a set speed. No no excuse in law, for not knowing speedo accuracy.

**FJRider** · 9th October 2012, 14:44

Originally Posted by willytheekid

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The plod in the highway patrol cars are fairly low on list of people to blame. They have their instructions from those on high. Although some do get more enthusiastic in their job than others .... and will follow the instructions to the letter.

Living within an hours ride from New Zealands premier holiday destination (Queenstown) ... every day is a public holiday. And the roads around here are policed as such. Lucky you if you only get the treatment on actual long weekends and public holidays.

The scenery around here distracts quite a few ... and driver not looking at the road and where they're going IS a problem. I just go on the assumption they're ALL out to get me ... and ride accordingly. (it's kept me alive so far)

I have little faith in statistics ... never had. (If you ask the right question ... do you get the right answer ??) But they're seldom used in the context of real terms. As you say ... the variables are inconsistent .... so are unreliable. (in my opinion)

They've always been after the repeat offenders .. be it for speeding or drink driving. And fact is ... it's unlikely to change anytime soon.

History has shown a willingness to ask goverment to bail them out of their life's misfortunes ... be it from a downturn/theft in/of their blue-chip shares ... or from their uninsured housed getting damaged (earthquake or other) .... or any other "not my fault, why should I pay" issue. All the assistance being asked for (and often paid) has to have a source of income. (regardless of accounting method stats)

We all know the rules ... the two options are like them ... or not. If you expect them to change ... I doubt it ...

When you see flashing lights ahead on the side of the road ... do you slow down if you were speeding ... ??? I do ... and I bet you do to. If they just parked in Black spot areas ... I bet no crashes occur there. Stopping one (unlucky) car slows many more in the 10 minutes they're stopped.

They are being seen ... and being seen to enforce the rules. That's their job. Regardless of our personal opinions on the subject. And regardless of if I agree with you .... or not.

**mossy1200** · 9th October 2012, 16:36

A while back I discovered a way to stop getting tickets. I slowed down a bit.

104 is a bit sick though. The difference can be the brand of tyre your running. Mags added etc on a car could change speedo accuracy.

I always thought that car manufactures set the speedos to indicate 100km when the car is between 94 and 100 true speed on OEM tyres.

Sideways note. Took a zx14r for a ride and the gaps in speedo are so small it would be hard to tell the difference between 95 and 105kph without spending more than a glance looking. I guess all 300 analog speedos would be the same.

**Berries** · 9th October 2012, 16:57

Originally Posted by mossy1200

Sideways note. Took a zx14r for a ride and the gaps in speedo are so small it would be hard to tell the difference between 95 and 105kph without spending more than a glance looking. I guess all 300 analog speedos would be the same.

On a ZX14R the needle should be moving so fast through that 95 to 105 area that it is a blur anyway.

**FJRider** · 9th October 2012, 17:02

Originally Posted by Berries

On a ZX14R the needle should be moving so fast through that 95 to 105 area that it is a blur anyway.

That's about 1st into 2nd gear time isn't it ... it is on the FJ ...

**mossy1200** · 9th October 2012, 17:04

Originally Posted by Berries

On a ZX14R the needle should be moving so fast through that 95 to 105 area that it is a blur anyway.

Might have been 195-205? It sat on 100 quite well for a powerfull bike even in top. I was expecting to need be in 4th to sit on 100.

**mossy1200** · 9th October 2012, 17:07

Originally Posted by FJRider

That's about 1st into 2nd gear time isn't it ... it is on the FJ ...

Yes you would want to select 2nd before the power started developing.

Gear Ratio: 1st 2.611(47/18)
Gear Ratio: 2nd 1.947 (37/19)
Gear Ratio: 3rd 1.545 (34/22)
Gear Ratio: 4th 1.333 (32/24)
Gear Ratio: 5th 1.154 (30/26)
Gear Ratio: 6th 1.036 (29/28)

Ist is 1.036/2.611 = 39.6% .396 of 320kph is only 126kph

Its not the closest gearbox ratio bike but at 219hp it might not need be.