Govt assault on young 'uns continues

[Berries]

Perhaps people in Huntly and Invercargill should move where work IS. (as if they need another excuse to move)

I moved to Invercargill from the other side of the world for work. I should have smelt a rat but was persuaded by the stories of the legendary summers in this south pacific heaven.




Tahiti my arse.






Fuckers.

[FJRider]

Tahiti my arse.






Fuckers.

It's only a few hours plane ride away ...

[FJRider]

Such 2 dimensional thinking. Why don't we implement an alternative? Why can't these people stay and have jobs come to them? Mate it's the 21st century and the tech is available and being used by Telecom. Perhaps more businesses could get a smaller, cheaper "Head Office" and allow people to work from a central point or even from home? It would stop filling up the cities and could potentially promote growth in many different regions, lots of small localised development projects as opposed to roads for Auckland. NOW that's what I'd call working smarter.

We have "Head Office" people down here in Paradise. I know of a few that commute to Auckland for the weekly/monthly meetings. One told me his commute time from the Clutha valley to the Auckland office, via the direct Queenstown/Auckland 737, takes less time than it used to take him from his last house in Cambridge.

[Ocean1]

Ok...what constrainst on employers would you remove? Lesser Tax? friendlier fireing (?) of staff once not needed (at the companies discretion) more unpaid overhours for salaried staff (how many hours would be acceptable), less wages - how low can you go? etc....

Artificial limits on payrates is the one in question innit? It's a good start.

Understand this: If there's profit to be made in hiring someone at any given specific remuneration then someone WILL hire them. If they don't want to work for that hourly rate fine, don't. Just don't expect anyone to pay more than you're worth. It really is that simple.

...and how will this affect the social fabric of the country?

Wrong way around. Better question might be "How successful can society make it's businesses?"
Business doesn't need or have any valid function in shaping society. Society's survival, on the other hand relies on succesful businesses, and it's prosperity depends directly on how profitable those business are.

For years, now, society in the shape of populist governments have made it incresingly difficult for businesses to survive. That's why there's fuck all left in NZ. Attract and support more businesses, preferably ones working within in high-tech ,(read high-skilled and profitable) industrys and "society" would get better results.

But nobody wants to hear that. It's much easier to bleed them white in order to support those who don't choose to work that hard.

[mashman]

Too old for job... inevitable fallout?

[mashman]

We have "Head Office" people down here in Paradise. I know of a few that commute to Auckland for the weekly/monthly meetings. One told me his commute time from the Clutha valley to the Auckland office, via the direct Queenstown/Auckland 737, takes less time than it used to take him from his last house in Cambridge.

Aye. We have a guy up from Nelson and 1 down from Whanganui. They both probably need to be here for meetings etc... tis a shame that they have to work away from home.

[FJRider]

... tis a shame that they have to work away from home.

Nelson I could understand ... but Whanganui ... ???

[Akzle]

Society's survival, on the other hand relies on succesful businesses, and it's prosperity depends directly on how profitable those business are.

...society in the shape of populist governments have made it incresingly difficult for businesses to survive.
...That's why there's fuck all left in NZ.

no.
no you're wrong.

"society's survival" depends on having sufficient food, water and shelter available at all times for those within that society. everything else is secondary. business, eco-no-money (made that one up -yeah!) etcetera are just a fucking sideshow.

the governments ARE a business, only they're under the thumb of a larger one, that'd be world banking, as long as you play a game on a slanted paddock, where you have no say in the rules and no recourse to adjudication from some kind of fair or impartial authority, you are at the mercy of the rule makers.

there's fuckall left in NZ?
feel free to leave. in fact, fuckit. i'll shout you a one way ticket anywhere in the world, as long as you promise not to come back. no discredit to ya, but if you think there aint fuckall here, then fuckoff.
NZ has more than enough for everyone here, and some sweet sweet scenery to boot, ideal growing conditions for many species of plant and animal
NZ might not have much money, or materiel "wealth", but that actually, in the scheme of things, aint worth fuckall.
and the increasing tilt of the scales of state-supported vs state-milked innt going to get better any time soon.

i reckon your problem is that you're looking to an "economic" solution to an entirely fabricated problem, treating the symptom, not the cause.

[Akzle]

Nelson I could understand ... but Whanganui ... ???

*wanganui
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[FJRider]

*wanganui
. .

That's further south ... isn't it ...

[Brian d marge]

no.
no you're wrong.

"society's survival" depends on having sufficient food, water and shelter available at all times for those within that society. everything else is secondary. business, eco-no-money (made that one up -yeah!) etcetera are just a fucking sideshow.

the governments ARE a business, only they're under the thumb of a larger one, that'd be world banking, as long as you play a game on a slanted paddock, where you have no say in the rules and no recourse to adjudication from some kind of fair or impartial authority, you are at the mercy of the rule makers.

there's fuckall left in NZ?
feel free to leave. in fact, fuckit. i'll shout you a one way ticket anywhere in the world, as long as you promise not to come back. no discredit to ya, but if you think there aint fuckall here, then fuckoff.
NZ has more than enough for everyone here, and some sweet sweet scenery to boot, ideal growing conditions for many species of plant and animal
NZ might not have much money, or materiel "wealth", but that actually, in the scheme of things, aint worth fuckall.
and the increasing tilt of the scales of state-supported vs state-milked innt going to get better any time soon.

i reckon your problem is that you're looking to an "economic" solution to an entirely fabricated problem, treating the symptom, not the cause.

Took your advice , offwardly fked I went , If I give bank detail could put money in by tommorrow nite , I have a date . The grass ( yes that as well ) IS greener over here

Your completely right about the economic thing though , and as long as we have to live with it. we can at least try and make it more sustainable ( going to have to one day ) ...

Grow veges , and do everything not to use the "mans" money ..

Stephen

Charlie Boorman is on his bike a gain in Canada ...to Im off to watch that ....

[Brian d marge]

just howl at the moon and pay themselves nice salaries.

I could do that

go on gizza job gone mista



Stephen

[Brian d marge]

http://www.trueactivist.com/10-signs...e-fully-awake/

Tin hats everybody

Stephen

[Ocean1]

"society's survival" depends on having sufficient food, water and shelter available at all times for those within that society. everything else is secondary. business, eco-no-money (made that one up -yeah!) etcetera are just a fucking sideshow.

Business is simply the mechanism whereby we generate the value to acquire the resources to live. Without that sideshow you don't HAVE food, water and shelter.

[oneofsix]

Business is simply the mechanism whereby we generate the value to acquire the resources to live. Without that sideshow you don't HAVE food, water and shelter.

You are confusing Business with trading. Business is assigning value to something that has little or no real value and convincing others that it has the value you have assigned it. The burger flipper at McDonalds has more value than the CEO of the bank. You need food to live, why do you really need the bank CEO?