Dealing with criminals in Florida

[PeloNZ]

2006 called, and all that...
http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp

[Milts]

Yes .. can always catch him later ... A police fuck up cost an innocent man his life ...

I'm actually completely with you on this. Taking the example of the shooter in New York where the cops hit 9 others, he had shot one person (who had fired him) and was just walking along the path. If, rather than confront him, the police had ID'd him or followed until he was in a clearer area, they may have saved a lot of pain.

That said, given the widespread examples of police missing at close rage, I think it's more likely that they are put in near impossible situations than that they are completely incompetent. I wouldn't know though...

2006 called, and all that...
http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp

Nice link.

[Road kill]

Back on track.

We ran out of ammo !,,,,,,

[pzkpfw]

From the Snopes link (my emphasis):

... Freeland remained under the oak tree overnight, where a 10-member SWAT team found him the next morning. When they saw Freeland raise his right hand clutching a gun (one they would later learn belonged to the slain deputy), nine of the ten officers fired, hitting him with 68 of 110 shots. ...

Highly trained, yet only 62% of shots hit their target.

Not criticising, just adding my vote to the don't fire if potential harm to bystanders will be worse than if not firing folk.

(In the Freeland case, he was in woods; so they could have chucked grenades at him for all I care.)

[Fatjim]

I say give the cops .22LR pistols to practice with because at least the ammo is dirt cheap compared to centrefire rounds.

Love it, training guns.

First you get a wooden handgun.
then you get a 22LR.
Then you get a Glock.



On another note, the cops expect the public to

Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded
Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
Rule 5: Check your firing zone
Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely
Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms

Anyone not doing the above, regardless of the colour of their pants, should be held to that. The choice to fire when not safe (as judged by the above rules) is not one to be taken lightly.

[scumdog]

Naa ... whether you are frugal with petrol or not as minimal impact on the rest of us ...

But just ask Halatau Naitoko's family how inmportant it is for police to be able to hit what they shoot at ... (How far away from the ofender was the cop when he missed adn hit Naitoko? I believe he was on the back of a truck and shooting through the back window at the driver?)

Hmm, dealing with humans - so sadly eventually there was bound to be a cluster-fuck.

Not good for the poor innocent guy and his family, not good at all - but life can be so unfair at times (regardless of training etc...)

[Fatjim]

but life can be so unfair at times

Like choosing to prosecute a father wanting to visit his sons grave. Either the cops fucked up, or the papers got this wrong.

I'm all for giving the cops a bit of slack, because they operate in a grey area all the time. Would be nice if they gave us a bit of slack sometimes as well.

[schrodingers cat]

Mount a couple of Barret .50s on the cop cars here. I won't be arguing

But think of the folks in jeopardy for up to 2km out the other side of the poor bugger they'd shot holes THROUGH

[scumdog]

I'm all for giving the cops a bit of slack, because they operate in a grey area all the time. Would be nice if they gave us a bit of slack sometimes as well.

They do - lots.

Only THEY don't say anything in the media...

[Fatjim]

They do - lots.

Only THEY don't say anything in the media...

So did they cock that one up, or did the media give them a bum rap? Whats mising from the story?

[scumdog]

So did they cock that one up, or did the media give them a bum rap? Whats mising from the story?

Oh no, they cocked up alright.

And the media lapped it up.

But I was actually talking about the 'give us a bit of slack sometimes' bit you mentioned...

[scumdog]

2006 called, and all that...
http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp

It never sound as good when it's fact eh!

[Banditbandit]

They do - lots.

Only THEY don't say anything in the media...

Yes they do. I have certainly experienced police officers "cutting me some slack" .. and yes, it never gets into the media .. and the only comments on forums like this are about how bad the popos are

(or maybe it's just because I'm getting older and the cops are more tolerant of grey haired old bikers - or maybe it's because I dont give them shit on the side of the road any more ...)

[Fatjim]

Not sure I've been let off lately. But haven't had many run ins. Last one was over a year ago, a wanker of a cop in the south island gave me a speeding ticket on the say so of some numpty that didn't like being overtaken and called it in. Wasn't ever going to get off that one. Had the speed alarm on in the rental, so I now I was below 105, still got a ticket for 111 though form a cop coming the other way without radar installed in the car. That guy must have had secret powers.