16 year plateau in global surface temperatures puzzles climate scientists

[Banditbandit]

Want your money back yet?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...=feeds-newsxml

I would not take reportr's interpretation of scientific data as gospel truth ...

And even those scientists who won't accept that a 16 year plateu exists still admit that the anthropogenic portion of climate change is only half of what has been previously claimed.



http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/...AS-D-12-0208.1

That scientific article also says "The deduced net anthropogenic global warming trend has been remarkably steady and statistically significant for the past 100 years."

[Jantar]

...That scientific article also says "The deduced net anthropogenic global warming trend has been remarkably steady and statistically significant for the past 100 years."

Yes it does.

Oh, just when did man's CO2 contribution supposed to start having an effect that was greater than natural causes?

Just what has been the net anthropogenic global warming trend, and what did the IPCC claim it was?

[Scuba_Steve]

Yes, but according to the Earths natural cycle we are supposd to be heading into another ice age and the Earth should be cooling therefore an even temp IS actually warming.

Really? the earth has that info recorded somewhere???... or maybee it was just on 1 of those Mayan calendars I've heard so much about???

sea water is acidifying (very bad news for shell fish and corals), our atmosphere is becoming polluted, and soils are poisoned in spots of dense population. None of this is going to get better any time soon.

Which is why they should stop fucking round running scams to extort money from people for (arguably) harmless CO2 & fix the real problems like pollution... But then that would cost money rather than making Al Gore, BP, Shell, & Rockefeller's billions of $$$ each year

[Winston001]

Actually the Met Office article doesn't dispute the fact that there's been a 16 year plateau in global temperatures. How could they? It's their own figures...


It's 16 years at the moment and in another couple of months it'll be 17. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation went into it's cold phase a couple of years ago and the latest El Nino sputtered out recently... the 7th Cavalry is not riding over the horizon to save you. At which point do you admit you're wrong? Is there actually any way to falsify your beliefs?

Good post. FYI I used to deny climate change but changed my mind about 2006 when I started looking at the science. If its not really happening then I'll happily change back but its a complex system with cooling events as well as warming eg. current Antartica ice expansion, so no easy answers.

[SPman]

Really? the earth has that info recorded somewhere???... It's recorded all around you - in the rocks, sediments, tree rings, ice,.......or maybee it was just on 1 of those Mayan calendars I've heard so much about???


Which is why they should stop fucking round running scams to extort money from people for (arguably) harmless CO2 Oxygen is "harmless" as well - have too high a percentage and it will kill you very quickly.....& fix the real problems like pollution...Yep.... But then that would cost money - it's costing real money whether you try and do something about it or ignore the whole scenario...it's just a matter of when you pay... rather than making Al Gore, BP, Shell, & Rockefeller's billions of $$$ each year ?????? - BP and Shell make billions each year without any help from climate change arguments - they are part of the fecking problem when it comes to pollution and they pay five eighths of fuckall even when they are actually prosecuted - they certainly don't clean anything up!

Mmm, the CRU 2005 graph? How about the 2012 one?

This is the most recent one........to Dec 2010

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/crutem4/
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/c.../download.html - raw data

There is a plateauing over the last few years, but nothing outside what has occurred over previous occasions. Locally, this year is shaping up to be a scorcher - the hottest October on record already (only 180 yrs of records, mind you), in a series of steadily rising temps.

[imdying]

Really? the earth has that info recorded somewhere???

Yep, all over the place, that's why we have (amongst others) geologists!

[James Deuce]

We're approaching another Solar Minimum, so expect dire threats about global cooling.

[george formby]

Locally, this year is shaping up to be a scorcher - the hottest October on record already (only 180 yrs of records, mind you), in a series of steadily rising temps.
[/LEFT]

I predicted that when the Monarchs started laying eggs again in August. Our Pohutukawas look like they will pop at any minute and big schools of Kingfish in the Bay already....

Ken Ring? Pah! Gonna start me own prediction site. Fanciful Formbys Factless Future FYI's. Catchy..

[bogan]

Don't you see, for the last 16 years people have been whinging about it, and taxing things based on it, and some people have even been reducing emissions. And now, it has stabilised, shirley this is a cause for celebration, marvel in what humanity has done and strive to go further.

[george formby]

Don't you see, for the last 16 years people have been whinging about it, and taxing things based on it, and some people have even been reducing emissions. And now, it has stabilised, shirley this is a cause for celebration, marvel in what humanity has done and strive to go further.

All Hail the Fart tax!

[Winston001]

Which is why they should stop fucking round running scams to extort money from people for (arguably) harmless CO2 & fix the real problems like pollution... But then that would cost money rather than making Al Gore, BP, Shell, & Rockefeller's billions of $$$ each year

Totally agree that we should be focused on pollution because that is the big problem and one that people can understand.

Unfortunately carbon is part of the pollution problem. Almost every source of pollution also involves burning or converting hydrocarbons such as oil coal and gas - which releases carbon into the atmosphere.

The oceans soak up a lot of CO2 which is good but there is a price. CO2 + water = acid (consider how Coke will strip paint) which is very bad news for calcium carbonate organisms - shell fish, corals, and plankton. So reducing our carbon output helps reduce pollution.

Mind you, can't see us doing it. The carbon trading idea has failed with the original price $12-15/tonne but today about $5/tonne.

[george formby]

I think it was the Gaia guy - James Lovelock? who said no radical action would be taken until we are sat in front of the telly watching people die by their millions due to pollution & it's consequences. Or words to that effect.
Sadly, I think he is right.

[Big Dave]

We have a Carbon Tax over here now. My power bill almost doubled last quarter.
Everybody has just put or is putting their prices up to cover it.

[Jantar]

This is the most recent one........to Dec 2010
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There is a plateauing over the last few years, but nothing outside what has occurred over previous occasions. Locally, this year is shaping up to be a scorcher - the hottest October on record already (only 180 yrs of records, mind you), in a series of steadily rising temps.
[/LEFT]

I assure you that 2010 is NOT the most recent one. They have released data up to September 2012.

And why do you persist in showing the full range of data when the claim is only about the trend since 1997? Maybe its because no-one disputes the temperature has climbed ever since we came out of the LIA and showing the last 16 years embedded inside the last 160 years hides the plateau.

Locally, this year is shaping up to be a very cool one. One of the coldest octobers on record already. (only 83 years of data available). Locally for me is Alexandra, what is locally for you? Oh, and I get my local data from http://cliflo.niwa.co.nz/. Where are you getting your data from?

[carbonhed]

Unfortunately carbon is part of the pollution problem. Almost every source of pollution also involves burning or converting hydrocarbons such as oil coal and gas - which releases carbon into the atmosphere.

The oceans soak up a lot of CO2 which is good but there is a price. CO2 + water = acid (consider how Coke will strip paint) which is very bad news for calcium carbonate organisms - shell fish, corals, and plankton. So reducing our carbon output helps reduce pollution.

CO2 is not pollution it's one of the fundamental building blocks of life. Plants love elevated levels of CO2. Milder temperatures, higher levels of CO2 and the biosphere blooms... it's going to be great!

Ocean acidification? Can you say hysterically overhyped? Do the ecotards have any other modus operandi?

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/01/scr...ime-naturally/