16 year plateau in global surface temperatures puzzles climate scientists

[James Deuce]

So...if there is a rise in Global CO2 because of one thing OR the other thing, has there been a fall in Global oxygen levels due to man made deforestation/increased burning of plant matter & industrialisation?

Phytoplankton provides 50% of our oxygen requirements. Interestingly fish stocks of cod and haddock are dropping fast because of a reduction in species diversity for zooplankton. Their niche is being filled by super-plankton who can travel a such speeds that their traditional predators are left standing. 50 body lengths per second which equates to humans moving at 2000 mph.

[Akzle]

So...if there is a rise in Global CO2 because of one thing OR the other thing, has there been a fall in Global oxygen levels due to man made deforestation/increased burning of plant matter & industrialisation?

nono.
there is exactly as much stuff on the planet as there has ever been. some gey called einstine or something, energy and matter cannot be created or destoyed... asides from that, the planet emits more CO2 than people ever have (combined), the planet is made of oil, and humans don't matter a fuck,
but, hopefully, oneday, they make it too uncomfortable for their own habitation, and either a) fuckoff, or b) die.

.but i'm not holding my breath, acause that isn't profitable

[James Deuce]

Well, yes, the Mid-Atlantic trench emits more CO2 than all life has, ever, in a year. I think the issue is that atmospheric balances are just that and liberating previously trapped CO2 is the issue under discussion. Humans do it in ways that are subtle and obvious.

[Ocean1]

I think the issue is that atmospheric balances are just that and liberating previously trapped CO2 is the issue under discussion.

Yup, if this planet wasn't a very very deep negative feedback system it wouldn't have existed as such a complex entity in the first place let alone lasted as long as it has. There's very little we could do that might represent a variable anywhere near as large as those the system's already absorbed and compensated for some time in the past.

[DEATH_INC.]

FFS humans don't know everything. We like to think we do. All these figures are based on very recent history, or what we think we know from studying soil and fossils and rocks and stuff, which in reality we are just guessing whether of not that stuff means anything. The earth has been around a bloody long time, and it's been f*cking hot, and f*cking cold more than once. We have no idea how these changes affect the air content, the ozone layer, the friggen plankton or anything else for that matter. This ball of dirt and rocks etc we live on wobbles around a big ball of burning gas, neither of which are stable. Of course the climate changes. Give me a couple of million years of solid data and MAYBE we can see if we are in fact making a difference....

[mashman]

Where once trees ran from coast to coast on every continent (probably) and a fire would have burned unabated from coast to coast, such a thing can never happen again in many of these country's. Where once the trees grew back, we paved paradise and put up a parking lot (amongst other things according to Joni). What's the affect of that given that it has never happened on this planet before? Answer: Who gives a fuck, that attitude doesn't make any money. Trends analysis my hairy white fat arse.

[Akzle]

i'm always skeptical when people say humans know shit cos they dug shit up.
a'cause of my cousin rangi... down the line.

so happened that a few years back the english excavated to a depth of 30 feet, finding copper wire. from this they obviously deduced that 100 years ago, they had a working telephone network.
not to be outdone, the yanks dug to 60 feet, also finding copper wire, and reckoned they had a telephone network 200 years ago.
well, rangi being rangi, heard all this, dug 90 feet, didn't find shit, and decided that rotorua had infact gone wireless 300 years ago.

[Ocean1]

Where once trees ran from coast to coast on every continent

You mean like Australia?

Or like America? Where there's more trees now than there was 200 years ago?

Where once the trees grew back, we paved paradise and put up a parking lot (amongst other things according to Joni). What's the affect of that given that it has never happened on this planet before? Answer: Who gives a fuck, that attitude doesn't make any money. Trends analysis my hairy white fat arse.

That's #1 for roundup, mate.

Now go find a big thick book to read, you might run across a fact or two to beef up your prejudices, eh?

Aaaannd you won't have to get off'n your hairy fat arse to do anything about it, fuk'n winner.

[mashman]

You mean like Australia?

Or like America? Where there's more trees now than there was 200 years ago?

Yes.

Did someone count them?

That's #1 for roundup, mate.

Now go find a big thick book to read, you might run across a fact or two to beef up your prejudices, eh?

Aaaannd you won't have to get off'n your hairy fat arse to do anything about it, fuk'n winner.

Agent Orange FTW.

I see enough thick in here... fuck knows why I'd want to read about it too... let alone digest it as fact and use it to highlight someone else's prejudice.

Ahhhh the internetz. So different to books.

[carbonhed]

Yes.

Did someone count them?



Agent Orange FTW.

I see enough thick in here... fuck knows why I'd want to read about it too... let alone digest it as fact and use it to highlight someone else's prejudice.

Ahhhh the internetz. So different to books.

Mate! Somebody's written an entire book on your psychosis.

http://www.afr.com/p/lifestyle/revie...5z5vuBNPRHVobI

[Ocean1]

Did someone count them?

Yes.

There hasn't been wall to wall forest in Australia since the Miocene. Wasn't much agent orange about when it all vanished though.

And believe it or not American reforestation is a topic you'll find in t'interwebs as well as in books. A brief scroll/flick would have told you it's a 100% human driven phenomena.

I see enough thick in here... fuck knows why I'd want to read about it too... let alone digest it as fact and use it to highlight someone else's prejudice.

Yeah. Totally beneath you.

[mashman]

Mate! Somebody's written an entire book on your psychosis.

http://www.afr.com/p/lifestyle/revie...5z5vuBNPRHVobI

thanks for that, that made my day... and I've had a damned good day too. Ok, I take it all back, we're doing nothing to our waterways or coastal regions and the shit we pump into the atmosphere and wee monoculture plantations have absolutely no affect on any eco systems. Psychosis . If you had a clue I'd be disappointed... but fortunately for you, you only have an opinion.

[mashman]

Yes.

There hasn't been wall to wall forest in Australia since the Miocene. Wasn't much agent orange about when it all vanished though.

And believe it or not American reforestation is a topic you'll find in t'interwebs as well as in books. A brief scroll/flick would have told you it's a 100% human driven phenomena.

Yeah. Totally beneath you.

... they all look the same to me.

Possibly.

Fair enough, but I would have thought that they'd have chopped down more than 3 millions trees in the last 30 years, but fair enough and good on them. I guess destroying forest elsewhere makes up for it.

Liar.

[DEATH_INC.]

Soooo...does that mean the dinos f*cked themselves up by eating trees and farting?

[bogan]

Soooo...does that mean the dinos f*cked themselves up by eating trees and farting?

Well I wouldn't rule it out, but there's a new theory which is probably more likely