Another two-year-old toddler beaten to death

[scumdog]

There isn't enough money to go around. The primary reason that there isn't enough money to go around is because of the structure of its society. All that despite the fact that money can, and is, printed as and when the money men decide that it should be. The values of society are its structure, so you're a trollin or just plum hillbilly. You should stick to cross breeding acts n gods mate.

If some people would prioritise the money they have life would be better for them and their kids.

Sky, 56" flat-screen, pokies, Maccas, tinies of cannabis and dozens of Lion Red are not essentials..

[98tls]

If some people would prioritise the money they have life would be better for them and their kids.

Sky, 56" flat-screen, pokies, Maccas, tinies of cannabis and dozens of Lion Red are not essentials..

"working for families"Still at least my 1st thought when the alarm goes off at 4.30 is "i am making a difference"

[Ocean1]

The primary reason that there isn't enough money to go around is because of the structure of its society.

Yeah. It'd have to be society's fault, eh?

As opposed to just too many lazy bastards not actually earning their keep, fr'instance.

[mashman]

You could print all the money you want fella things would stay the same,those crying poverty would still be broke thered be to fucking lazy to go pick theres up."hillbilly" poor me eh,thing is i am far from poor and the reason for that is i choose not to be,so simple.Poverty,few in NZ would know the meaning of the word but plenty spend spend a lot of breath blaming the structure of its society for it.Fuck the Kiwi as our National emblem/icon those days are long gone lets bludge another ie Ostrich.

I agree with the Ostrich, but not for the same reasons as you probably. How does that work for those who work 2 jobs and barely make ends meet and are frugal with the money that they have? Fuckem as it's their own fault for not being able to do a job that pays any better? The demographic you're highlighting are the majority of the unemployed?

If some people would prioritise the money they have life would be better for them and their kids.

Sky, 56" flat-screen, pokies, Maccas, tinies of cannabis and dozens of Lion Red are not essentials..

See above.

Yeah. It'd have to be society's fault, eh?

As opposed to just too many lazy bastards not actually earning their keep, fr'instance.

Oh good god... yes, there are lazy people, there are many drastically underpaid people, there aren't enough well paying jobs and to that end I fail to see why anyone should work if all they can manage is minimum wage for 12 hours of a day. It's a fuckin insult to human beings and society perpetuates that status quo. That is 100% SOCIETY'S FAULT!!!

[Ocean1]

Oh good god... yes, there are lazy people, there are many drastically underpaid people, there aren't enough well paying jobs and to that end I fail to see why anyone should work if all they can manage is minimum wage for 12 hours of a day. It's a fuckin insult to human beings and society perpetuates that status quo. That is 100% SOCIETY'S FAULT!!!

Show me someone who generates more revenue for the company than he costs in wages. I've got work for him.

The rest? Mebe society's at fault for leading the poor dears to expect more pay than they're actually worth?

[Akzle]

Show me someone who generates more revenue for the company than he costs in wages. I've got work for him.

The rest? Mebe society's at fault for leading the poor dears to expect more pay than they're actually worth?

i've got some free time, and could do with some more money. so i'll swap you eh? you don't even have to worry about OSH, ACC or any of that other bullshit. cos i dont.

[mashman]

Show me someone who generates more revenue for the company than he costs in wages. I've got work for him.

The rest? Mebe society's at fault for leading the poor dears to expect more pay than they're actually worth?

Hmmmmm. I'm guessing every business that hasn't gone bust has members of staff who do that. No members of staff, no production. No profit, no business.

coz society values their contribution in $$$ and where society doesn't value their "input", they get paid next to feck all. Faceless and excused as a necessary economic strategy. Seems like the human element i.e. living, is very much a secondary consideration.

[98tls]

I agree with the Ostrich, but not for the same reasons as you probably. How does that work for those who work 2 jobs and barely make ends meet and are frugal with the money that they have? Fuckem as it's their own fault for not being able to do a job that pays any better? The demographic you're highlighting are the majority of the unemployed?

There working the wrong 2 jobs,as for demographics goes without saying eh thing is do they really have to congregate by the suburb in the North island?theres work aplenty in both islands but nope cant be going looking for it would rather settle in a house society subsidises and moan aplenty,the worst being those that managed to get here but cant manage to go further than the welfare in search of the good life.Saddest of all is many of the people we are talking about are as you have pointed to real grafters.

[mashman]

There working the wrong 2 jobs,as for demographics goes without saying eh thing is do they really have to congregate by the suburb in the North island?theres work aplenty in both islands but nope cant be going looking for it would rather settle in a house society subsidises and moan aplenty,the worst being those that managed to get here but cant manage to go further than the welfare in search of the good life.Saddest of all is many of the people we are talking about are as you have pointed to real grafters.

Those jobs have to be done. Someone has to do them. The money won't change, unless they're replaced with one of the kids who will soon be able to be paid less than they currently are. If these jobs aren't done, what is the affect? So, as the 2 jobs need to be done by a grafter, why not pay a decent wage? I Know there are jobs out there, but how does a person move from one area of the country to another where they have no money to begin with? There are people who do that, not everyone will and to be honest not everyone should have to... especially if where you are is where you call home. There still isn't enough work though and certainly not enough well paying work and to deny that is to write society off as a bunch of useless tossers. The saddest part is, that the person grafting hard at two jobs gets fuck all and because of their low salary will most likely be seen as a lazy fuck. Not saying that's what you're highlighting, but there's a HUGE amount of that shot going around and society sets those rules. So I'll still with it being the fault of society and its structure.

[Ocean1]

i've got some free time, and could do with some more money. so i'll swap you eh? you don't even have to worry about OSH, ACC or any of that other bullshit. cos i dont.

PM me your details, if I can find a fit I'll make it happen.

Hmmmmm. I'm guessing every business that hasn't gone bust has members of staff who do that. No members of staff, no production. No profit, no business.

Correct. It takes a reasonable effort by every element of the business, so what?

coz society values their contribution in $$$ and where society doesn't value their "input", they get paid next to feck all. Faceless and excused as a necessary economic strategy. Seems like the human element i.e. living, is very much a secondary consideration.

Of course. In what other currency should society value their contriution? Bananas?

If there's no market for their particular skills, (or lack thereof) then there's no possible way to pay them without taking it from someone else. Someone with a very human face.

[98tls]

Those jobs have to be done. Someone has to do them. The money won't change, unless they're replaced with one of the kids who will soon be able to be paid less than they currently are. If these jobs aren't done, what is the affect? So, as the 2 jobs need to be done by a grafter, why not pay a decent wage? I Know there are jobs out there, but how does a person move from one area of the country to another where they have no money to begin with? There are people who do that, not everyone will and to be honest not everyone should have to... especially if where you are is where you call home. There still isn't enough work though and certainly not enough well paying work and to deny that is to write society off as a bunch of useless tossers. The saddest part is, that the person grafting hard at two jobs gets fuck all and because of their low salary will most likely be seen as a lazy fuck. Not saying that's what you're highlighting, but there's a HUGE amount of that shot going around and society sets those rules. So I'll still with it being the fault of society and its structure.

Respect your post,getting the eyes as i am supposed to be doing something else.Will pick this up later eh.

[mashman]

Correct. It takes a reasonable effort by every element of the business, so what?

Of course. In what other currency should society value their contriution? Bananas?

If there's no market for their particular skills, (or lack thereof) then there's no possible way to pay them without taking it from someone else. Someone with a very human face.

So you have work for everyone in the country. You should be PM, hang on, nope, let me think about that a little longer.

Why bother paying if all jobs are required? Food production, water treatment, electricity generation, cleaners, doctors, binmen, sewer workers etc... all required to keep us ticking over. Who's worth more bananas? Their contribution should be valued equally as each and every job is required to provide elements for every other jobs in the country.

The skills may not be marketable, but that doesn't mean that they are unnecessary. The value system is pooked where one man can consider his contribution more worthy than someone else's by virtue of it having been their idea or their hard graft or their right or because society allows it to be so. We need a change of attitude, then real shit might actually get done for a change... who knows, that may well end up with having cnuts who kill kids otherwise occupied preparing the way for the next generations. Pie in the sky given the way society currently works, but I hope to hell I get myself into a position where I can test that theory.

[mashman]

Respect your post,getting the eyes as i am supposed to be doing something else.Will pick this up later eh.

Take yer time and enjoy them beeeeeeeeerssssssssss

[madandy]

I phoned a guy this morning offering him work. No chance he replied...he'd gapped it to Christchurch where the work, and money is...there is so much work available and thousands of immigrants will be brought in if the above mentioned fuckers dont grab the bull by the horns and pitch into this society of ours and rebuild our main Southern city!

As for this legal system, Akle and the society you despise, it works for some and doesn't bother a whole lot more. Many would be happy with change but are trucking along just nicely so to all those who cry foul, get off yer collective asses and MAKE a change.

Peace out.

[scumdog]

I Know there are jobs out there, but how does a person move from one area of the country to another where they have no money to begin with? There are people who do that, not everyone will and to be honest not everyone should have to... especially if where you are is where you call home.

So if they don't want to move? - put up with what you have, if you're motivated to 'get ahead' you'll ove - even if only temprarily.

Christchurch shouldn't HAVE to import workers from other countries - hell if THEY are prepared to come there from another country Kiwis should be prepared to move a few 100km - I would.

(Next thing a bunch of racist twats will be 'moanin' 'bout them furriners stealin' our jobs'.)