Part of Society? - For Akzle

[Banditbandit]

I took this into a new thread as it was way off the topic of the other one ...

a) a society is legally defined. "new zealand is under the jurisdiction of crown legislation"
- i do not fit the legal definition. therefore, legally, i am not part of your society.

New Zealand" is not a society - it is a collection of small islands and is the name of a nation - defined as a "group of people living within a clearly defined boundary and defending that boundary agasinst outsiders." If you live within the boundaries of New Zealand (i.e. within this group of island) you are partr of this nation ... anythign else is a legal fiction with no basis in reality ...

If you live within the boundaries of the nation AND partake of any of the benefits or services of the society then, whether you like it or not, you are part of that society ...

If you partake of any of the services but contribute nothing back - then you sir, are a parasite ... Now I suspect that you do give something back - such as roasd user charges, you are likely to pay GST (when you shop - another form of participation ...) .. so you are not really a parasite - you are just deluding yourself and tryign to live like a parasite ..

and since you're a good law abiding cunt, that's the end of that.

Who said I am a good law abiding cunt? You know as much about me as I know about you - which is practically nothing ...

I have found, by experience, that true freedom lies in flying under the radar - I.E. Not sticking your head up and getting caught ...

The laws I choose to follow I follow because either I think they are good laws .. or the personal consequences of gettign caught make breaking the law too risky ... I take personal responsiblity for my own actions - makig decisions about my behaviour within the contexts required and NOT guided by the law - except where it impacts on potential consequiences of my actions and whetrher I am prepared to accept those consequences.

b) i do not "do nothing"

So tell us what you do then ...

c) i put it to you to provide an interpretation of anarchism, which, it so happens, isn't at all what i'm after or proponing.
c-i) your suspicion has completely missed the mark, but please, elaborate on "my misinterpretation of anarchism"

I am prepared to admit that my suspicions were wrong ... you are not proposing anarchism ...

d) i'm actually fairly removed, by choice, from "what happens in YOUR country"

"fairly removed" is not totally removed - and yes, sorry, you are part of us ... maybe a deviant part - but still a part ..

You are using the electricity of our society to promote and argue your views? I wonder how you live? Economically? Apart from New Zealand (It was a bit of an assumption that you do live within these islands ...) ????

So please elaborate on how you manage this one?

d-i) by what right do you claim this to be YOUR country?

Ahi Kaa - prior right of occupation - my tipuna were here in the begining of time ... I te timatanga o te Ao ka haere Paerangi Ma ki Te Whare Toka (Ruapehu Maunga). Ka noho Paerangi ma i te tahi o Te Whare Toka ...

Paerangi and his people were living at Ruapehu when Kupe came here - and when Aotea waka came here ...

d-ii) at what point in time was i consulted on how, where and when they build roads?

Of course you were never consulted directly - many of the roads were there when we were born ... and others which have been built have been with the agreement of our elected representatives - either council of Parliament - and therefore, in theory, have the delegated authority to buolt the roads .. but again - if they are not your roads and you have made no contribution to their upkeep - then stop sing them - Of course, if you have paid your motorcycle registration, then you have paid somethign towards our roads - and if yuou buty our petrol you hacve made a contribution towards our roads - and I am terribly sorry, but no matter what polticial stance you portray, the reality is that you have been sucked into our society ... you can either accpet that and get on with it - or maintain some sort of legal/philosophical fiction which in reality is a delusion ..

d-iii) would you prefer i took a tank everywhere, but instead of using roads, rolled over "private land"?

Neither - I think you need to accept that you are actually a part of our society - an involuntary part, but nevertheless a part of our society ... either that or go somewhere else ...

d-iv) again. seriously. who gave you this country?

My tipuna - who handed it down from long ago to the generations of the future - exactly as I wil hand it down to the future generations of Aotearoa New Zealand .. as Taonga Tuku Iho.

or the right to make decisions about it?

Rights are a legal fiction promoted only by the incompetent. Whether I can make decisions about this country or not depends on my ability to back up what I say with political force - and as Mao said "Politicla Power grows out of the barrel of a gun". I am prepared to use a gun ... at this point in time, my praxis says there is little point in using the gun because, as the Baader-Meinhoff and variants proved, it will achieve very little.

Democracy is possibly the best political system human beings have come up with - as an Anarchist I work towards a greater personal freedom for individuals - and there wil always be that work as total personal freedom, with the current political, social and psychological state of human beings.

And I have a vote - just like every other adult human being born within the boundaries of this nation - anlon with those granted citizenship as well

who gave you the right to dictate how anyone ese should live?

As an anarchist I would say no-one did .. I am not telling you how to live ... I would never do that . that si to remove your personal freedom and responsiblity. I have never told you how to live - I have only told tyou that your stance as not paert of our society is BULLSHIT!!! e) : b)

see. this guy gets it.

I "got it" years ago .. and then I learnt many other things ... and my own experience, my praxis, my political thinking tells me you are wrong ..

[HenryDorsetCase]

Praxis? The Klingon moon that exploded which, with the assistance of James T Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise resulted in the galactic detente and peace with the Klingon Empire chronicled in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country? That Praxis?

I agree with you, thats by far the best original cast film.

As for the rest of the "wall of green"? TL;DR

[imdying]

I agree with you, thats by far the best original cast film.

Nah, nothing beats "nuclear wessels"

[Banditbandit]

Praxis is a good marxist idea . the interface of theory and action ... action informs theory,informs action, imforms theory - an ongoing progression ...

Theory without action is sterile .. action without theory is futile ... Praxis is everything ...

Akzle is acting from theory only - a sterile and bullshit course ..

[HenryDorsetCase]

Nah, nothing beats "nuclear wessels"

Hell yeah, that scene in ST IV: TVH where they're aboard the Enterprise CVN 65 and Chekov is trying to talk his way out of it with a thick russian accent is GOLD. I love the bit with Kirk and Spock on the bus, and Scotty making the clear aluminium.

Thats probably tied for second place with ST II: TWOK as my favourites. The rule is, even numbers good, odd numbers bad.

(except X which sucked)

[James Deuce]

Anarchy is the absence of government and does not imply chaos. We're simply conditioned to believe that only a central government can successfully govern a country. Switzerland does rather give lie to that idea, however they have rather more human teeth in their bank vaults than I feel comfortable with.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Anarchy is the absence of government and does not imply chaos. We're simply conditioned to believe that only a central government can successfully govern a country. Switzerland does rather give lie to that idea, however they have rather more human teeth in their bank vaults than I feel comfortable with.

THIS THREAD IS BORING. unless it is about star trek and rock and roll, which are not boring.

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[Big Dave]

@ HDC :-)

[mashman]

I am not a part of your society. I take part in it because I have no choice. Give me the reigns and I'll show you mine.

Meanwhile, on topic...

[HenryDorsetCase]

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@ HDC :-)

thank you for my new desktop wallpaper. I will miss the tasty 1962 benelli that used to be there but that is GOLD!

I also am eating my sammich and there are crumbs on my keyboard and monitor...

[imdying]

Hell yeah, that scene in ST IV: TVH where they're aboard the Enterprise CVN 65 and Chekov is trying to talk his way out of it with a thick russian accent is GOLD. I love the bit with Kirk and Spock on the bus, and Scotty making the clear aluminium.

Thats probably tied for second place with ST II: TWOK as my favourites. The rule is, even numbers good, odd numbers bad.

(except X which sucked)

Heh, how about 'Computer. Hello Computer"

Definitely my fav


/edit: Yeah, Mashmans got it!

[Banditbandit]

THIS THREAD IS BORING. unless it is about star trek and rock and roll, which are not boring.

Yes - it was largely aimed at Akzle . and taken out of another irrelevent thread .. If you find it boring, don't participate

[007XX]

No disrespect, but fact is, we all know that an individual who lives in a country and believes him/herself outside the law and out of all society's parameters is just deluding him/herself.

Is it worth your time and brain power to try to reason with a delusional individual?


Just saying, however much I enjoy the way you present your viewpoints

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yes - it was largely aimed at Akzle . and taken out of another irrelevent thread .. If you find it boring, don't participate

Nah mate, I'm like Mr Akzle. I AM NOT PART OF YOUR SOCIETY I PARTICIPATE ON MY OWN TERMS BECAUSE I AM A RUGGED INDIVIDUALIST AND I SPOUT TRITE POLITICAL NONSENSE WITHOUT THE INTELLECTUAL OR EDUCATIONAL CAPACITY TO CRITICALLY ANALYSE THEM OR COMPARE THEM WITH OTHER SYSTEMS OR INDEED TO APPRECIATE THE SILLY CONTRADICTIONS THAT ARE APPARENT IF YOU SPEND MORE THAN FIVE SECONDS THINKING ABOUT THEM, man.

Plus I like STAR TREK. A lot. and there is insufficient of it here and if I can hijack this thread for lulz I will because thats the sort of guy I am, man.

[HenryDorsetCase]

No disrespect, but fact is, we all know that an individual who lives in a country and believes him/herself outside the law and out of all society's parameters is just deluding him/herself.

Is it worth your time and brain power to try to reason with a delusional individual?


Just saying, however much I enjoy the way you present your viewpoints

your avatar turns me on. I'm just saying.