Part of Society? - For Akzle

[scumdog]

See now that is just slender, right there!

I'm reformed, don't you know?

Ahhh...no, I didn't realise
(And can't tell the difference!)

[Big Dave]

Same reason we keep letting Sarfies into NZ.

So they can get citizenship and move over here?

[98tls]

This is all wonderful but...to be honest not what i thought i would tune into.Wheres whatever his name is,he who doesnt exist blah blah.

[mashman]

This is all wonderful but...to be honest not what i thought i would tune into.Wheres whatever his name is,he who doesnt exist blah blah.

All dressed up and nowhere to go eh... awwwww. How's about a kitty pic

[Akzle]

... (stuff)

jeeeeeeeebus. well. guess it'd be rude not to show up. not like i feel i owe you anything. and you did a much better impression of spelling engrish this round.

bullet points!:
- we are arguing from two different platforms. law, legal, legislation, boundaries, words, claims etc ARE ALL FICTION.

-a "society" is legally defined as: "A group of people joined by mutual consent to deliberate, determine and act toward a common goal"

i do not mutually consent, i do not believe in the goals of the NZ govt/society and if you can point to one (legally) "common" goal.. well, hats off.

-who is defending the border? we got a stack of foreigners on this land...

-given that "New Zealand" is a fiction, (claimed) territory is a fiction, and generally everything else is a fiction, it actually has "no basis in reality"

this is your mao quote - the only people with "authority" nowadays, have to have the guns to enforce it. the current crowd claiming NZ have a gang in blue vests and holdens, enforcing their claim.

"natural authority" relies on the assent of the people/individual being "governed", there is no subjugation, no force required.

everyone comes under one (much) higher authority than the small men in parliament, that'd be the creator, whatever you believe, you were created. (were you the proponent of evolution from pond scum?) personally, i'm with some kind of intelligent design/higher consciousness. everything stems from consciousness, as a human you cannot create consciousness, so there is a force higher than human.

-righto. i haven't quite got it down to not buying anything, i like stuff, modern commerce requires the "money"/debt to do so, so i do contribute GST.
you're welcome.
i do not pay rego, road user etc etc etc.

i am not trying to live like a parasite, quite the opposite. i'm trying to go completely off grid.

-if you were free, you wouldn't have to "fly under the radar" if you are doing no harm to anyone else, noone else should feel a social obligation to stop you from doing anything.

you rebel you, you choose not to follow laws. (me too)
you take responsibility for what you do (me too)

- i do quite a bit. beyond the scope of this thread, though. goes with that "trying to live off grid" above.

- i am solar powered. so no, i'm not "using the electricity of your society"
i'm using the energy of the cosmos, man!

- if you mean i live "economically" in monetary terms, yes, i generally live on the cheap.

- prior right of occupation? dunno about you, i'm human. we've been on the planet for 10, 000 years or more. i have a lawful claim to 1/6 billionth of the planet.

you're thinking small man. way too small. i am citizen earth.

- "the agreement of our elected representatives" - i did not agree to anyone to represent me, i'm capable of representing myself. i also never voted for anyone to make decisions/"represent" for me. thus i retain the right to do so myself.

- again, would you prefer i drive a tank accross private land everywhere, or use a light vehicle on the roads?

if the roads are "public" ie, for EVERYONE, why should i not use them?

does that mean that people on holiday in the country can't use the roads, not being NZ citizens and thus contributing a lifetime of tax for them?

- again with the delusion/fictions. you're propping up more of them than me, and thus, from where i'm wanking, err... sitting, it's you that's deluded.

- "go somewhere else" i love this one. unfortunately you bite your own ass. you accept that NZ is a rightful distinction, you accept that the government has authority to make decisions for the "represented", you accept that you are part of the society, but you break the rules (but "keep your head down") - if you don't like the rules, why don't you go somewhere else?

- rights are a legal fiction.
really? you want to revise that at all before i get into it??
so as a man who is born, (assuming you had your ideal society with no governance (that's anarchy, eh?)) you mean to tell me you have no rights? that i can do whatever i want to you?

a "person" is a legal fiction, and, legally, has the capacity for "rights and duties"

a man, born under the creator, i would argue, has full rights, second only to the creator. noone can infringe against those rights except by force.

- "democracy is the best system" democracy is organised mob rule. technically 51% of the population can beat down 49%.
unfortunately we do not even have the blessing of true democracy, (nor anywhere in the world.)

your argument falls short for lack of anything to base it on.

- you work towards a greater personal freedom (me too)

- "there wil always be that work as total personal freedom, with the current political, social and psychological state of human beings."

yes, but why should the way it is affect the way it should be? i would submit that you're not free at all.
i've seen the argument "you have to be involved in the system to change it" i don't buy it. on account of it hasn't fucken changed.

- you have a vote? whoop dee fuck, how well has that worked out for your personal freedom?

- - you think i am wrong, i think you are wrong. maybe if you read what i've read you'd change your mind, maybe vicey versey. we are both working toward similar goals, but i think you're being held back by the fictions you've created around yourself, (for whatever reason).

you're held down by the small thinking of "i am NZ" "i am anarchist" boundaries and borders and definitions - ALL FICTIONS.

you're deluded if you think voting does any more than encourage the criminality at the top. you're twice deluded if you think those at the top aren't criminals.

THIS THREAD IS BORING.

Nah mate, I'm like Mr Akzle. I AM NOT PART OF YOUR SOCIETY I PARTICIPATE ON MY OWN TERMS BECAUSE I AM A RUGGED INDIVIDUALIST AND I SPOUT TRITE POLITICAL NONSENSE WITHOUT THE INTELLECTUAL OR EDUCATIONAL CAPACITY TO CRITICALLY ANALYSE THEM OR COMPARE THEM WITH OTHER SYSTEMS OR INDEED TO APPRECIATE THE SILLY CONTRADICTIONS THAT ARE APPARENT IF YOU SPEND MORE THAN FIVE SECONDS THINKING ABOUT THEM, man.

baha. you're not even a REAL lawyer, i find out now.

boring people get bored.

your problem is that you think i need to compare it to anything, a problem shared with your mate up top, "democracy is the best politcal system" - no. churchill had a good answer to this. it might appear better than communism (anyone notice how china didn't have a recession?) or dictatorship (how's the "interrim" govenor of fiji?) but that doesn't make it good.
the one thing i may compare society/government/anything else to is my ideal. utopia, if you will.

but please, you're sofa king enlightened. share your wisdom with us plebs...

((and i never post in all caps. that's socially irresponsible....))

It is not so much the logic I am questioning but the inconsistencies in reasoning.

Not that it matters really, I'm just a passing by observer these days.

bahahahha. who needs consistency when you have beer?!
consistency is the antithesis of everything. if you're consistent you're influid, if you're influid you're boring. if you're boring you'll spout off about shit without contributing anything or moving the discussion forward.

welcome to the thread.

[James Deuce]

So they can get citizenship and move over here?

Hooray, the plan is working!

[scissorhands]

fook I need another beer

[Akzle]

and since i'm still awake.
being "in NZ" doesn't mean i'm NZ society. that's like saying i'm fruit because i'm in a fruit shop.
just because you are within the claimed bounds of somewhere, doesn't mean you're it.

[Akzle]

fook I need another beer

fucken star wars bullshit will do that.

(anyone seen the 'merikan designs for star wars. lulz. they have a "space defence" department. yay money.)

[scumdog]

if the roads are "public" ie, for EVERYONE, why should i not use them?

Being a but selective ain't ya?
I wonder how many other things of this society you claim NOT to be part of you use when it suits?

[scumdog]

a man, born under the creator, i would argue, has full rights, second only to the creator. noone can infringe against those rights except by force.

RIGHTS? what freakin' rights?

Without society you would have no rights, with society your so called rights could be quashed in an instant, nobody has 'rights' just because they exist...(ask a starving African orphan how his rights are doing...)

[scumdog]

"democracy is the best politcal system" - no. churchill had a good answer to this. it might appear better than communism (anyone notice how china didn't have a recession?)

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China is adopting (at long last) a Western way, (have you seen the massive spike in car ownership f'rinsatance?) And it did have a downturn, not as bad as the West but that was not because of Communism, it is because of its increasing reliance on Consumerism.

If the rest of the world suddenly stopped buying Chinese it would be fooked. (again)

And why do Chinese have less rights than us???

[scissorhands]

My rights in NZ are curbed due to autistic spectrum disorder, and public perception of autism [which is improving at a rapid rate of knots]. But I avoid contact with much of society because of it.
Most autistics are scathing of society
Society has not yet integrated the type, a 1%er group of peps with poor social skills, so have stayed under the radar for years/millennia.

Like recent struggles for women, blacks and gays, a time will come when the spotlight hits the autistic dilemma, but only as more and more are appearing. Number crunching 101 will ease their discomfort
...and more TV shows will have autistic characters like Bones and BBTheory
as sad and offensive parody's of all the engineers, wizz kids and intellectually orientated rather than social breed of human

become the object of humour and derision

So basically if I am unappealing for being the wrong colour, a woman, gay or a bit of a tard
.....because of society....
rejecting a non accepting society is a natural honest response

[oneofsix]

My rights in NZ are curbed due to autistic spectrum disorder, and public perception of autism [which is improving at a rapid rate of knots].

Most autistics are scathing of society

society has not yet integrated the type, a 1%er group of peps with poor social skills, so have stayed under the radar for years/millennia.

Like recent struggles for women, blacks and gays, a time will come when the spotlight hits the autistic dilemma, especially as more and more are appearing
...and more TV shows will have autistic characters like Bones and BBTheory
as sad and offensive parody's of all the engineers, wizz kids and intellectually orientated rather than social breed of human

become the object of humour and derision

So basically if I am unappealing for being the wrong colour, a woman, black or a bit of a tard
.....because of society....
fuck you too is a natural honest response

Your rights aren't curb, you have just as few as the rest of us, might be that you can't make full use of all of them because you fail to emphasize with those around you but you still have those rights and therefore the attendant responsibilities. When you can attend to your responsibilities you can exercise your rights.

[007XX]

Ahhh...no, I didn't realise
(And can't tell the difference!)

Fine, I love you too

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bahahahha. who needs consistency when you have beer?!
consistency is the antithesis of everything. if you're consistent you're influid, if you're influid you're boring. if you're boring you'll spout off about shit without contributing anything or moving the discussion forward.

welcome to the thread.

Hmmmm... Sorry, don't do beer. And in all fairness, I am only following this thread because you intrigue me.

Politics have never had any appeal as I don't trust anybody to have my best interest at heart. Consummerism and greed are the only two moving forces in this world and as much as I would like to go off grid, I am totally unconvinced that it is entirely possible, unless one moves to Great Barrier Island and decides to raise goats to sustain themselves.

Your argument is tangible to a point, and I must admit almost compelling, if it wasn't for that giant bag of chips on your shoulder.

Inconsistencies?
1-having an issue with foreigners in this country, while claiming yourself a "Citizen of Earth with a claim to 1/6 billionth of this planet.

2-having the right to represent yourself. Should be interesting if/when you get caught and trialled for your dealing in marijuanna. We'll see how well your "I'm outside your laws" thinking is going to do then in a court of law.

3- "if you don't like the rules, why don't you move somewhere else?" That one truly puzzles me... Why would YOU stay in an environment which you are so clearly disapproving of?
Could it be because you actually have the freedom to be your pseudo outlaw self, what with this flailing democracy system giving some leeway towards achieving this goal?

How about you go and have a look in places such as the Congo or Southern America for example, where the powers that be are truly corrupt and people really fight for their rights, nay, their ability to survive on a daily basis, and see if you wing your freedom to be a rebel mentality there.