Part of Society? - For Akzle

[Akzle]

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and xkcd for every occasion. i'd know, i stole most of them onto my hdd. never worked out that "click and drag" one, though.

I'm trying to understand where Axzle is coming from, but he's a slippery blighter, I think he's mainly a troll for his own amusement.

sometimes yes, mainly no. i generally live by and believe what i post....

...(and is generally accompanies with a tax break)

pretty much. you have the democratic right to choose whether they hit you with a big stick or a little one.

[Akzle]

I think I shall just agree to disagree with you on a few points. Besides, you'd be surprised how much of what you say I agree with, on principal.

I just don't believe that you can be outside of society while living amongst it.

PS: Enjoyed that reference to Master and Commander too by the way.

the fricken series is about 23 books long. can't say i've read em all. good books, but.

i don't really "live amongst" society, i do interact with em.

Yes !!! Chemical change in the brain affects judgement etc
i disagree, also AFAIK, cannabis doesn't cause permanent changes in the brain, (i have and do take other drugs, so my brain is probably a bit goofed)
but, pop quiz, why do we have cannabanoid and opiate receptors in our bodies, if we're not meant to have a crack at it?

None of these things have been granted as a right - they have al been fought for . and after the fight have been deemed to be rights.

disagree. while they HAVE all been fought for, who've the battles been fought AGAINST? (the system), so being born free, in the absence of the system, one has those god-given rights. as said, noone can infringe against them without force.

((stop me if you've heard this one before...))

...Read Rocker, Proudhon, Malatesta ...

i'll give it a miss, and while i accept you're well read on various topics of governance, i don't think the solution is in the past, i don't know that any system has been ideal, i don't know there's anything to be learned from it, either.

-edit- i'll expand on that. in confining your thinking to what has been, you limit yourself straight away. if you START thinking with how it should be (not has been), and then make your theory/outlook around that, i reckon you'll get further.

Anarchy is the political system formed by 100% agreement of all those involved - and MAY involve some for of structure - btr only with the agreementof 100% opf the people involved

where does that definition come from? and you think it'll happen??!
do you think there is any person that would disagree with my principals? (do no harm, tell the truth) can that not be the basis? is that not a common (100%) ideal?

No, we do not have a raqdical plural democracy - I hope we are movign toward that

why? is that your compromise, accepting you will not achieve anarchy? or just the "best use" of a flawed system?

simply saying we do not have it means it wil never happen - and the status quo wil remain ...

the status quo will remain because the populi don't f*ing do anything about it, beyond pissing and moaning on internet forums. i fail to believe that anyone is actually happy working for a full third of their week for two thirds of their life. (of the other thirds: one third sleeping and the other third shared between "personal time" (TV, family, friends, gym, outings etc) and cleaning your possessions.)
so why is everyone doing it? - noones shown them a better way. they don't know any better. they've been conditioned from the first bell to ring on their first day of school. wear uniform, stand up when your name (that would be your capitus diminutio/legal fiction/ person's name) is called, line up, sit down, recite., you're only allowed the time between bells for yourself.

We have a different sense of time and a different sense of belong and a different sense of "us" from the immigrant populations ..

i'm not completely honky. i do know what you're on about. my sense of time is much larger again.

I'm off for the weekend ... Going fishing tomorrow ...

lucky bugger. my boat's missing a trailer (and the weather is shit anyway)

[mashman]

pretty much. you have the democratic right to choose whether they hit you with a big stick or a little one.

I know where I'd like to shove that stick for all the good it would do anyone.

lucky bugger. my boat's missing a trailer (and the weather is shit anyway)

So leave it in the water then... or don't you have the money for the mooring fees

the status quo will remain because the populi don't f*ing do anything about it, beyond pissing and moaning on internet forums. i fail to believe that anyone is actually happy working for a full third of their week for two thirds of their life. (of the other thirds: one third sleeping and the other third shared between "personal time" (TV, family, friends, gym, outings etc) and cleaning your possessions.)
so why is everyone doing it? - noones shown them a better way. they don't know any better. they've been conditioned from the first bell to ring on their first day of school. wear uniform, stand up when your name (that would be your capitus diminutio/legal fiction/ person's name) is called, line up, sit down, recite., you're only allowed the time between bells for yourself.

Tis what makes a good citizen. Any other way would be chaos.

i'll expand on that. in confining your thinking to what has been, you limit yourself straight away. if you START thinking with how it should be (not has been), and then make your theory/outlook around that, i reckon you'll get further.

seconded, BIG TIME... and that attitude has never been needed more than today.

[BoristheBiter]

i don't really "live amongst" society, i do interact with em.


lucky bugger. my boat's missing a trailer (and the weather is shit anyway)

What you not nicked one yet?

[mashman]

What you not nicked one yet?

Don't judge everyone by your own standards

[BoristheBiter]

Don't judge everyone by your own standards

So sorry,

Lets try that again.

Akzle, why didn't you nick the trailer when you nicked the boat.

Is that better?

[mashman]

So sorry,

Lets try that again.

Akzle, why didn't you nick the trailer when you nicked the boat.

Is that better?

adding more words doesn't make you any less of ... on the positive side, it doesn't make you more of one either

[Genestho]

In this day and age I thought we'd moved past viewing being off grid as having to live like Barb and Tom. It would seem not, how 70's of you all... moreover it makes you a hypocrite. I'm laughing too, but not for the same reasons as yourself.

I dunno, I find it completely acceptable... maybe not inspiring, but definitely acceptable.

Well yes I'm not at all surprised, you would find it perfectly acceptable wouldn't you, another keyboard grandstander who likes to whinge (Where are you from again??) and insult people's intelligence based on your own perceived experiences but, does nothing quantitative about change in the real world. How quaint.

I'm pretty sure you won't find anything from me exclaiming "I'm trying to get off the Grid, man". It seems quite stoopid to me to clearly be doing the exact opposite by being quite open on a soap box, off the grid is simply - you "don't exist."

I've lobbied and had success. I've worked hard at life in general and had success. I've been a moody teenager on the wrong side of the tracks - funnily enough I recognise every word the man in the green font writes. I've been completely anti-social in my youth saw the light and went for it, I've fallen down many many times and got back up, I've been royally stood on at times so others get what they want out of me and that's not even half of it and I'm still on the side of society no matter what I've been thrown.

If you're going to call people hypocrites, probably pay to know what you're talking about.

And by the way - you don't seem to have a wide range of friends from all areas of society - if you did, you'd know that generally people are diverse and not lacking in imagination, nor "sheeple", maybe they are in your world or where you come from and for that I truly feel sorry for your limited experience in people, but, they are certainly not in mine.

[mashman]

Well yes I'm not at all surprised, you would find it perfectly acceptable wouldn't you, another keyboard grandstander who likes to whinge (Where are you from again??) and insult people's intelligence based on your own perceived experiences but, does nothing quantitative about change in the real world. How quaint.

I'm pretty sure you won't find anything from me exclaiming "I'm trying to get off the Grid, man". It seems quite stoopid to me to clearly be doing the exact opposite by being quite open on a soap box, off the grid is simply - you "don't exist."

I've lobbied and had success. I've worked hard at life in general and had success. I've been a moody teenager on the wrong side of the tracks - funnily enough I recognise every word the man in the green font writes. I've been completely anti-social in my youth saw the light and went for it, I've fallen down many many times and got back up, I've been royally stood on at times so others get what they want out of me and that's not even half of it and I'm still on the side of society no matter what I've been thrown.

If you're going to call people hypocrites, probably pay to know what you're talking about.

And by the way - you don't seem to have a wide range of friends from all areas of society - if you did, you'd know that generally people are diverse and not lacking in imagination, nor "sheeple", maybe they are in your world or where you come from and for that I truly feel sorry for your limited experience in people, but, they are certainly not in mine.

A keyboard grandstander that will happily embrace something that this society seems to misunderstand, fear and ridicule, iffen ye don't mind. I don't believe that going off grid does anything for anyone other than those who go off grid, but I can understand why people would do so and why they would also distance themselves as much as humanly possible from what you people call society.

Never said you were tryin to get off grid and have also read some of your relatively recent battles with an awe. What do you mean by "recognise every word the man in the green font writes.". I ask as the context in which you have it wrapped is that of a moody, anti-social individual with ghost chips on his shoulder.

I wasn't calling anyone a hypocrite, but can see why you thought that. It should have read similar but in the context of, you can't use the roads, you can't use the internet, you can't excuse yourself from society without being labelled a hypocrite. An "argument" that has me pissing myself with laughter.

What do you know of my friends/acquaintances/social circles? these days though, it is a hell of a lot smaller and that is very much my choice. I have my reasons. I'm fully aware of what people are capable of. Thanks for your pity, but my world and my world view are fine tyvm.

[mashman]

(Where are you from again??)

Thought an answer for this deserved a post all to itself . I've come to understand that I come from a rock spinning in the middle of nowhere. It's full of people of different colours, races, ages, shapes, sizes, speaking different languages etc... it also suffers from mass hysteria which is perpetuated by a value system that runs via a medium known as money. Some deluded unimaginative souls believe that it's the best we can do, I know, I were one, and defend their religion to such an extent that they let entire continents go hungry. These same people rape, pillage and murder in order to claim that which isn't theirs, more recently referred to as a fiction, under some misapprehension that they have bought and paid for that which they claim. The devastation that that leaves behind is written off and they crow that we should be greatful that it isn't us. Whilst that is a truth that I understand, it doesn't excuse the lack of imagination that it has taken to get us to this point. One of the biggest highlighters of that fact is charity. Stunning given that the resources are freely available, yet attributed value to the point where a charitable position must be taken in order for those who don't have money to receive the most basic rights that mankind can offer. That may seem like fucked up hippy shit to you, but it eats at me like nothing I've ever known... and I'm all but powerless to do anything about it. For NOW (snigger), it's a website. I guess we'll see if it goes any further.

I come from the planet Earth and from the looks of things, my world is better than yours. I'd love to show it to you someday. Ommmmmmmmmmm

[Akzle]

So sorry,

Lets try that again.

Akzle, why didn't you nick the trailer when you nicked the boat.

Is that better?

no, i was actually given it, (sans trailer), cos i'm such a nice guy.

... does nothing quantitative about change in the real world.

so, you do, what?

It seems quite stoopid to me to clearly be doing the exact opposite by being quite open on a soap box, off the grid is simply - you "don't exist."

no, that's only the definition YOU are applying to it. in an energy sense it means only to not be connected to the power grid.
as much as i would like to "not exist" in a corporatemonetary-fiction sense, i don't think it's inherently part of being off grid.

I've been a moody teenager on the wrong side of the tracks

would that i was a moody teenager. money, drugs and horny bitches turned up from nowhere, parties lasted for days or weeks, and the taxi of mum never ran a bill.

I've been completely anti-social

i'm not anti social, i'm not even anti-societal. i am anti- the society that persists in NZ.

I'm still on the side of society no matter what I've been thrown.

your call.

you'd know that generally people are diverse and not lacking in imagination, nor "sheeple",

you reckon.?
on an individual basis you'd be right, like on an individual basis americans aren't dicks. (present company excluded) but as a society, they're the biggest dicks on the planet.
similarly, teh "society" in NZ are sheep. shit goes down left right and centre, some people lay low, fly under the radar, but break the law (society's rules) for whatever reason. that's not being a very good member of society, after all those rules are imposed for the good of society, innit?

[007XX]

i don't really "live amongst" society, i do interact with em.

*sigh*

Please stop splitting hair and be gracious enough to see when someone is giving you room to have your opinion while keeping their right to uphold their own.

Ramming your viewpoint down my throat is only likely to make me lose interest in it.

I do not know the conditions within which you live, and therfore I cannot make a call for certain as to whether you are or are not indeed living within or outside of society's rules and boundaries.

You could argue I suppose that I should take your word for it. But I personally only believe my own judgement, so that would be where we come to a stalemate.


Ergo, let's agree to disagree.

[scumdog]

*sigh*
Ramming your viewpoint down my throat is only likely to make me lose interest in it..

It seems often to be his tactic - with the same effect...

[mashman]

Ramming your viewpoint down my throat is only likely to make me lose interest in it.

It seems often to be his tactic - with the same effect...

Perhaps the reception is faulty.

[scumdog]

Perhaps the reception is faulty.

I doubt it.

It's the delivery...