GP 2012-2013; bringing it back north

[Henk]

The changes to the licencing system have had an impact. In the past a club licence was only valid for the club that you were a member of, as a result we had full licences so that we could go to the Roy's Hill, Kaitoke two day and NI away rounds, now the current club licence covers all of these. Although you are correct in saying that the full licence is only $50 more expensive than last year it still adds up to an extra $200 for us if we were both going to ride in the F4 and/or F5 GPs.
As for the argument of how much has it cost Dennis Charlett et al I find this meaningless in context. The guys that are in with a chance of winning will buy the full licence and turn up anyway, the other 75% of the field may or may not. The $500 (assuming no ferry trip) plus that it would cost us to race the GP goes a fair way towards heading to another away round that we will likely enjoy as much or more. Budget always comes in to the equation and with 5 NI away rounds on the calendar already another expensive weekend away will take some thinking about. Yes I know it is still lots cheaper than real bike racing but that is one of the reasons buckets is appealing. That and the fact that we have so many opportunities to race. 15 meetings for us with the AK club rounds and NI series. Squeezing another in has time considerations as well as cash.

[kel]

It doesn't have to be official and MNZ doesn't have to agree and put the results into the records as a GP result. "We" however could still have appropriate trophies and certificates etc.

simple as that , as long as someone steps up to take charge

[Dutchee]

simple as that , as long as someone steps up to take charge

Funny getting such an early start to bitch about cost, dont we usually wait for the event to be announced?

why not discuss it now before anyone starts planning something expecting it to be like previous years and then finding that a lot of us won't come because it's too expensive. Clear the air beforehand and work out whether it is feasible and if not, if there's some way to make it feasible.

[Buddha#81:Me]

The changes to the licencing system have had an impact. In the past a club licence was only valid for the club that you were a member of, as a result we had full licences so that we could go to the Roy's Hill, Kaitoke two day and NI away rounds, now the current club licence covers all of these. Although you are correct in saying that the full licence is only $50 more expensive than last year it still adds up to an extra $200 for us if we were both going to ride in the F4 and/or F5 GPs.
As for the argument of how much has it cost Dennis Charlett et al I find this meaningless in context. The guys that are in with a chance of winning will buy the full licence and turn up anyway, the other 75% of the field may or may not. The $500 (assuming no ferry trip) plus that it would cost us to race the GP goes a fair way towards heading to another away round that we will likely enjoy as much or more. Budget always comes in to the equation and with 5 NI away rounds on the calendar already another expensive weekend away will take some thinking about. Yes I know it is still lots cheaper than real bike racing but that is one of the reasons buckets is appealing. That and the fact that we have so many opportunities to race. 15 meetings for us with the AK club rounds and NI series. Squeezing another in has time considerations as well as cash.

Sorry the Dennis/MCI thing was added just to show how blessed we are down here to have a club (more than one) that welcomes new riders and buckets and develops young and old alike.

I feel for ya Henk when there is two in the house that enjoys our sport, end of the day if you race a bucket in the south the entry is the same price if you have a superbike or F5, where we are lucky is we are treated the same because of it.

Simple fact is that Motorsport is expensive and to chase a title (or even compete in the same race) will cost in some way.

All other road race GP titles are run at the Ruapuna round of the Nats..........maybe they do the lot?

[richban]

why not discuss it now before anyone starts planning something expecting it to be like previous years and then finding that a lot of us won't come because it's too expensive. Clear the air beforehand and work out whether it is feasible and if not, if there's some way to make it feasible.

You may recall last year heaps of people bitched and moaned about the GP on KB. Still heaps turned up and had a ball. KB is not representative of all the racers in the north island.

The GP has been tagged onto other events for a while now.

If there was an annual 2 day event that was bucket focused at Taupo and included the GP but also gave track time to all levels of rider A, B, with support classes to help foot the bill. Ummm I think you would find there would be a massive field. Club licence for the event but a championship licence for the GP. Basically BOB up here.

I would put money on it being a hit. I may well do.

[Buddha#81:Me]

You may recall last year heaps of people bitched and moaned about the GP on KB. Still heaps turned up and had a ball. KB is not representative of all the racers in the north island.

The GP has been tagged onto other events for a while now.

If there was an annual 2 day event that was bucket focused at Taupo and included the GP but also gave track time to all levels of rider A, B, with support classes to help foot the bill. Ummm I think you would find there would be a massive field. Club licence for the event but a championship licence for the GP. Basically BOB up here.

I would put money on it being a hit. I may well do.

Or we do it properly down here.......you know we can

[richban]

Or we do it properly down here.......you know we can

Yeah I know it would be good. But then there is no race up here for you boys to come up for. You have one you can't have 2.

[RDjase]

Is there a North Island Bucket round at Manfeild back track?

Could run it there, heaps cheaper to hire than Taupo and if its already on it would save everyone $ so they could upgrade there licence to race the GP

[RDjase]

At the Barry Sheene meeting at labour weekend there was a TT race for all classes as the last race on Monday, you HAD to have a full competion licence to race it, just like the F4 GP as it is officialy called. MNZ does not call it the Bucket GP

[Bert]

You may recall last year heaps of people bitched and moaned about the GP on KB. Still heaps turned up and had a ball. KB is not representative of all the racers in the north island.

The GP has been tagged onto other events for a while now.

If there was an annual 2 day event that was bucket focused at Taupo and included the GP but also gave track time to all levels of rider A, B, with support classes to help foot the bill. Ummm I think you would find there would be a massive field. Club licence for the event but a championship licence for the GP. Basically BOB up here.

I would put money on it being a hit. I may well do.

Or we do it properly down here.......you know we can

I Think Rich has hit the nail on the head; one event in each Island (with potential offset i.e. different times of the year); maybe working together in partnership?
Buddha yes you are right; you guys have a great model and fantastic support; but it would be a shame not to service the north islanders with a significant event to aim for.

[gav]

I do find it rather strange that Billy can be so forceful with the ruling regarding buckets and licences, yet when MNZ is approached for clarification for a ruling the road race commisioner mentions "spirit of the rules" and "self policing" ...

[Buddha#81:Me]

I do find it rather strange that Billy can be so forceful with the ruling regarding buckets and licences, yet when MNZ is approached for clarification for a ruling the road race commisioner mentions "spirit of the rules" and "self policing" ...

I could be wrong but the previous RRC mentioned self policing and sprit of rules thing?........The small contact i have had with Billy he has some good ideas.

[Billy]

I could be wrong but the previous RRC mentioned self policing and sprit of rules thing?........The small contact i have had with Billy he has some good ideas.

Jeez mate,Don't steal Gavs thunder like that,That fact is I haven't enforced ANY rules whatsoever as yet,All I did was point out whats stated in the rules for all who can be arsed reading them,But no its much better to waste my time than for idiots to actually bother to read the M.O.M.S themselves,Despite the fact its part of the contract they entered into when applying for their licence.

Thanks for the support all the same,Its easy to see why people get pissed off and turn their back on certain factions.Bad luck doesn't just happen,Its generally a result of earlier actions.

[Bert]

Jeez mate,Don't steal Gavs thunder like that,That fact is I haven't enforced ANY rules whatsoever as yet,All I did was point out whats stated in the rules for all who can be arsed reading them,But no its much better to waste my time than for idiots to actually bother to read the M.O.M.S themselves,Despite the fact its part of the contract they entered into when applying for their licence.

Thanks for the support all the same,Its easy to see why people get pissed off and turn their back on certain factions.Bad luck doesn't just happen,Its generally a result of earlier actions.

Please Billy this is not the intent of this Thread at all (in terms of pissing anyone off and isolating F4 & F5 any further).
It's goal was to flush out the issues that have already discussed around the different places and attempt to seek out some form of solution.

I should have known better than to start something on here...

but i did ask at the start: "Proactive discussion not belligerent rubbish would be great".

[kel]

Thanks for the support all the same,Its easy to see why people get pissed off and turn their back on certain factions.Bad luck doesn't just happen,Its generally a result of earlier actions.

Take that ya dirt faction!