MotoGP 2013

**Drew** · 3rd August 2013, 17:48

Originally Posted by pritch

Well I've only read it about four times but fail to see what you are reading into it. Also that pic shows the motor tilted back. It's a long time ago now but I seem to recall the figure of 18 degrees was mentioned. That happened about the same time they moved the gas tank.

I was listening to the MotoPod podcast this afternoon and there was a discussion of the infuence of Audi on Ducati. The consensus was that there will be changes. Anybody reluctant to make changes will themselves be changed.

OK, now I've read the article again several times.

It explains very well why the Honda does work. But only asks questions regarding the Ducati.

**Reckless** · 4th August 2013, 18:25

Crutchlow - Ducati

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp...ati-challange/

**codgyoleracer** · 5th August 2013, 12:23

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Don't get me wrong...having met Mladin I've no doubt at all he was fair eating himself up on the inside. But pretty sure each of those three titles Mladin won more races head to head, which whilst it's not the same as winning the title...it ain't no flogging either. I was at Laguna Seca in 2007, and I've gotta say that the AMA Superbike race was easily as good as the GP to watch. Mladin and Spies just went hammer and tong for every single lap. By the 2nd or 3rd lap they had like 10 secs on 3rd place back. They were unreal. Didn't let up for a second...and no quarter given. I always think it was a crying shame that Mladin never got another crack at the GP boys after his ill fated Cagiva outing. A waste I feel.

I agree re Mladin, he was a Alien that went to waste.
I saw him ride in Aussie as a young fella on a superbike, he all but lapped the entire field in one race, and it was dry - plus the other fellas were no slouches......

**codgyoleracer** · 5th August 2013, 12:25

Originally Posted by Reckless

Crutchlow - Ducati

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp...ati-challange/

I suspect that will be a make or break decsion for CC, I wish him the best on setting the bike to keep the Bridgestones in their optimum temperature range

**codgyoleracer** · 5th August 2013, 12:35

Originally Posted by denill

Your opinion, but not mine.

I am convinced that psychologically he is TOUGH. So I reckon that while some injuries are able to be ignored, others can be exacerbated. We are all just flesh and blood. No matter what the mind set.

I will not write him off yet. But he will still be riding a POS.

I Agree, as you can get a poxy niggly knee , neck or wrist injury/strain and really struggle to ride. On the other hand sometimes you can break something BIG or even break a wrist / elbow - and whilst the thing is mending you can still ride and not feel it much.
Seems to come down to pot-luck with where the nerve and also inflamation around the injury is located.
Drugs and bike set-up can "reduce" the pain to some degree - but as i say its weird how something seemingly insignificant and non-restictive to your day to day activity can sometimes have a massive effect on your abilty to race a bike.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 5th August 2013, 13:03

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

I agree re Mladin, he was a Alien that went to waste.
I saw him ride in Aussie as a young fella on a superbike, he all but lapped the entire field in one race, and it was dry - plus the other fellas were no slouches......

Yeah I was at Lakeside when he was on the TKA ZXR750. He was the only geezer with balls big enough to not button off for a fraction going through the kink on the front straight that had a nasty dip in it. Fucking undercarriage on the deck...shaking it's head violently...bouncing off the rev limiter in top. Even the oppositions mechanics were all shaking their heads lap after lap. Was a real sight to see. Actually scary to watch. He was a fucking animal.

**DidJit** · 5th August 2013, 13:25

Sounds amazing. Searching YouTube to see some of his exploits. Re-post and off-topic, but we might see Mladin in action again...

**jasonu** · 5th August 2013, 15:02

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Ummmmm...not sure he actually did that. And it was never a flogging either.

Yeah he did and it was.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 5th August 2013, 15:18

Originally Posted by jasonu

Yeah he did and it was.

I beg to differ.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 5th August 2013, 15:35

Originally Posted by jasonu

Yeah he did and it was.

Think you may wanna check these stats. AMA Superbike 2006 season. Spies wins it with 649 points and 10 race wins to Mladin's 641 and 8 race wins. I don't call that a flogging. 2007 AMA Superbike season = 652 points and 7 race wins vs 651 points and 12 wins? That sure as fuck ain't a flogging. In fact...one could say he got flogged. 2008 = 652 and ten wins vs 557 and 9 wins. But you need to bear in mind Mladin was disq for two rounds after the fact for a techincal infringement. So I gotta ask...where's the flogging?

**Mental Trousers** · 5th August 2013, 17:36

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Don't get me wrong...having met Mladin I've no doubt at all he was fair eating himself up on the inside. But pretty sure each of those three titles Mladin won more races head to head, which whilst it's not the same as winning the title...it ain't no flogging either. I was at Laguna Seca in 2007, and I've gotta say that the AMA Superbike race was easily as good as the GP to watch. Mladin and Spies just went hammer and tong for every single lap. By the 2nd or 3rd lap they had like 10 secs on 3rd place back. They were unreal. Didn't let up for a second...and no quarter given. I always think it was a crying shame that Mladin never got another crack at the GP boys after his ill fated Cagiva outing. A waste I feel.

What's got me fucked is Spies went head to head with Mladin week after week but one year at the factory Yamaha team and he's head fucked. Or at least that's what it looks like ....

**jasonu** · 6th August 2013, 11:04

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Think you may wanna check these stats. AMA Superbike 2006 season. Spies wins it with 649 points and 10 race wins to Mladin's 641 and 8 race wins. I don't call that a flogging. 2007 AMA Superbike season = 652 points and 7 race wins vs 651 points and 12 wins? That sure as fuck ain't a flogging. In fact...one could say he got flogged. 2008 = 652 and ten wins vs 557 and 9 wins. But you need to bear in mind Mladin was disq for two rounds after the fact for a techincal infringement. So I gotta ask...where's the flogging?

Fair enough mate. But what I saw (watched as it happened actually) was the formally unbeatable and untouchable Mladin getting beat 3 seasons in a row. IMO that is a (long term anyway) flogging.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 6th August 2013, 11:21

Originally Posted by jasonu

Fair enough mate. But what I saw (watched as it happened actually) was the formally unbeatable and untouchable Mladin getting beat 3 seasons in a row. IMO that is a (long term anyway) flogging.

Like I say...the three titles speak for themselves. But it's still Mladins 29 race wins to Spies's 27. So to me..no flogging occured! Both fantastic racers at the very top of their game though for sure. Shame Spies has had such a shit run these last two years.