MotoGP 2013

[gixerracer]

Like I say...the three titles speak for themselves. But it's still Mladins 29 race wins to Spies's 27. So to me..no flogging occured! Both fantastic racers at the very top of their game though for sure. Shame Spies has had such a shit run these last two years.

Ben Owned Mat just admit it. Ben has! Fact is 3 champs is an owning at there level

[gixerracer]

Like I say...the three titles speak for themselves. But it's still Mladins 29 race wins to Spies's 27. So to me..no flogging occured! Both fantastic racers at the very top of their game though for sure. Shame Spies has had such a shit run these last two years.

I love it when people quote race wins when someone else won the series. Clutching at straws I think it is called

[gixerracer]

Think you may wanna check these stats. AMA Superbike 2006 season. Spies wins it with 649 points and 10 race wins to Mladin's 641 and 8 race wins. I don't call that a flogging. 2007 AMA Superbike season = 652 points and 7 race wins vs 651 points and 12 wins? That sure as fuck ain't a flogging. In fact...one could say he got flogged. 2008 = 652 and ten wins vs 557 and 9 wins. But you need to bear in mind Mladin was disq for two rounds after the fact for a techincal infringement. So I gotta ask...where's the flogging?

Its called cheating

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ben Owned Mat just admit it. Ben has! Fact is 3 champs is an owning at there level

Ummmm...and Matt's won how many AMA titles?

I love it when people quote race wins when someone else won the series. Clutching at straws I think it is called

Ummmm...Matts won how many titles compared to Spies?

Its called cheating

Ummmm...I didn't realise Matt made the swingarms himself personally to cheat? Jealous much?

[gixerracer]

Ummmm...and Matt's won how many AMA titles?



Ummmm...Matts won how many titles compared to Spies?



Ummmm...I didn't realise Matt made the swingarms himself personally to cheat?

Haha yea how many years did Ben race AMA SBK class v How many he won. Bingo another Stat for Ben

That team no way did not discuss running that swingarm with Mat they got caught cheating as a team. End of story

[gixerracer]

Ummmm...and Matt's won how many AMA titles?



Ummmm...Matts won how many titles compared to Spies?



Ummmm...I didn't realise Matt made the swingarms himself personally to cheat? Jealous much?

And Bens won how many MOTOGP races compare to Mat
And Bens won how amny world championship races compared to Mat
And Bens won how many world titles compared to Mat?

Mat took money over challange then Ben caught him up

[tail_end_charlie]

Ummmm...I didn't realise Matt made the swingarms himself personally to cheat? Jealous much?

I thought it was the crankshafts that they (the AMA) decided were out of spec???? (Probably the same crankshafts that Matt's teammates at Yoshimura Suzuki were running (Ben and Roger) whose bikes weren't checked.................................)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Haha yea how many years did Ben race AMA SBK class v How many he won. Bingo another Stat for Ben

That team no way did not discuss running that swingarm with Mat they got caught cheating as a team. End of story

Ummmm...dude...not Matt's fault Ben wasn't there the whole time. Bit like Rossi winning more titles than Stoner. Who do you think's better? Stoner if I'm not wrong due to head to head stats? Make up your mind.

And Bens won how many MOTOGP races compare to Mat
And Bens won how amny world championship races compared to Mat
And Bens won how many world titles compared to Mat?

Mat took money over challange then Ben caught him up

Ummm...Matt as an 18 year old in only his third season of road racing...onan uncompetitive Cagiva was expected to win how many GP races? And ummmm...you know for a fact that Matt was offered the challange do ya? You're sounding a little bitter and twisted Bro. For the record. I've met Mladin twice. I think he's an arrogant uphimself asshole. But he was a total weapon on a motorcycle. But hey...if winning the Aust 250 proddie title first time up...then the Aust Superbike title in ya second ever year of raod racing...then riding a 500cc two stroke GP bike in only ya third means he's a pussy compared to Spies...you win.

I thought it was the crankshafts that they (the AMA) decided were out of spec???? (Probably the same crankshafts that Matt's teammates at Yoshimura Suzuki were running (Ben and Roger) whose bikes weren't checked.................................)

You could be right actually now I think of it.

[gixerracer]

Ummmm...dude...not Matt's fault Ben wasn't there the whole time. Bit like Rossi winning more titles than Stoner. Who do you think's better? Stoner if I'm not wrong due to head to head stats? Make up your mind.



Ummm...Matt as an 18 year old in only his third season of road racing...onan uncompetitive Cagiva was expected to win how many GP races? And ummmm...you know for a fact that Matt was offered the challange do ya? You're sounding a little bitter and twisted Bro. For the record. I've met Mladin twice. I think he's an arrogant uphimself asshole. But he was a total weapon on a motorcycle. But hey...if winning the Aust 250 proddie title first time up...then the Aust Superbike title in ya second ever year of raod racing...then riding a 500cc two stroke GP bike in only ya third means he's a pussy compared to Spies...you win.



You could be right actually now I think of it.

Youve got me wrong I think Mat was amazing I watched him race at PI several times the guy was a freak.
Your point re Stoner Rossi and Mat and Ben is Mute. Ben replaced Mat as Casey replaced Stoner as Marc replaces Casey etc etc.
Mat had many many offers to go back in world championship racing and public stated why would I take a pay cut hence money over the challenge. Never claimed him to be a pussy I think your being a bit precuious Pete

[gixerracer]

Youve got me wrong I think Mat was amazing I watched him race at PI several times the guy was a freak.
Your point re Stoner Rossi and Mat and Ben is Mute. Ben replaced Mat as Casey replaced Stoner as Marc replaces Casey etc etc.
Mat had many many offers to go back in world championship racing and public stated why would I take a pay cut hence money over the challenge. Never claimed him to be a pussy I think your being a bit precuious Pete

Casey pelace Stoner haha I gota stop drinking. Casey replaced Rossi as the fastest man on the planet

[Crasherfromwayback]

Youve got me wrong I think Mat was amazing I watched him race at PI several times the guy was a freak.
Your point re Stoner Rossi and Mat and Ben is Mute. Ben replaced Mat as Casey replaced Stoner as Marc replaces Casey etc etc.
Mat had many many offers to go back in world championship racing and public stated why would I take a pay cut hence money over the challenge. Never claimed him to be a pussy I think your being a bit precuious Pete

Casey pelace Stoner haha I gota stop drinking. Casey replaced Rossi as the fastest man on the planet

My point being Bro is this. We cannot compare previous titles and races without one or the other being there. Hence...comparing Hailwood to Doohan...to Rossi etc etc. We can only compare racers if they are both there at the same time. So...to me...if in the three seasons they raced together...yes Spies won three titles (think he was there for four...but it matters not for this argument).This makes Spies better at winning titles than Mladin. But seeing as head to head Mladin beat Spies more than Spies beat him...that to ME...makes Mladin betterand faster than Spies.

Like Stoner vs Rossi. Yes...we all know Rossi has nine world titles. vs Stoners two. But head to head? Stoner won more races than Rossi...and that's taking into consideration that Stoner spent the first year in Moto GP on a sat bike with over the counter tyres vs Rossi and his fancy made to order Michelins. So you can tell me Rossi is better than Stoner...or that Spies is better than Mladin. But I'll never agree. If I beat you in 50 arm wrestles compared to the 40 you won. I'd consider myself better than you. It's not rocket science.

[eelracing]

Sorry Pete I don't agree totally,to me ultimately it is championships that are most remembered so if we take your head to head point for example, Casey won two,Rossi won two and Lorenzo has won two.If you talk to any champion they will tell you how hard it was to win the first one,but it is even harder to retain it back to back.And only Rossi has managed that head to head.

Look at it this way...in the 24 years between World Cup wins the All Blacks were the most winningest team in world rugby.It did'nt mean shit without the world cup though.

Casey is a freak,I rate him up there with Freddie Spencer.Both of them game changers in their time as both moved the sport up another level.
They could do things on a motorcycle that defied physical limits and were inspiring to watch at their peak.But they both burned out early...why?Maybe it's a genius thing,who can say eh.

The sport is all the more poorer without them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sorry Pete I don't agree totally,to me ultimately it is championships that are most remembered so if we take your head to head point for example, Casey won two,Rossi won two and Lorenzo has won two..

Look at it this way...in the 24 years between World Cup wins the All Blacks were the most winningest team in world rugby.It did'nt mean shit without the world cup though.

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Therein lies the (well mine at least) point. Who the fuck would argue that the AB's aren't the best rugby team in the world? The stats show they clearly are. Same goes for Stoner and Mladin. You can get a flat fucking tyre and lose a championship mate. you know that as well as I do. Does it make the other cunt better than you? As I said...Spies winning the three championships ahead of Mladin made him the Champ...without doubt. And 100% cudos to him for it. But to me...Mladin winning more races than Spies head to head makes hime better in my eyes than Spies.

And yes Stoner has won two...Lorenzo two...and Rossi two in the time they had racing against each other. So to split them up...would you not go to race wins head to head? Because you can't compare Rossi's nine titles to Stoner and Lorenzo's two...as they weren't there.
So head to head Stoner beat both Rossi and Lorenzo more than they beat him (two titles each)...Spies beat Mladin for titles but not for race wins head to head...and it's fair to say that Mladin could've easily won either of the 07/08 titles if not for some bad luck. And yes...racing is all about luck etc. I mean...if Craig Sharrifs had some more luck...

[gixerracer]

Therein lies the (well mine at least) point. Who the fuck would argue that the AB's aren't the best rugby team in the world? The stats show they clearly are. Same goes for Stoner and Mladin. You can get a flat fucking tyre and lose a championship mate. you know that as well as I do. Does it make the other cunt better than you? As I said...Spies winning the three championships ahead of Mladin made him the Champ...without doubt. And 100% cudos to him for it. But to me...Mladin winning more races than Spies head to head makes hime better in my eyes than Spies.

And yes Stoner has won two...Lorenzo two...and Rossi two in the time they had racing against each other. So to split them up...would you not go to race wins head to head? Because you can't compare Rossi's nine titles to Stoner and Lorenzo's two...as they weren't there.
So head to head Stoner beat both Rossi and Lorenzo more than they beat him (two titles each)...Spies beat Mladin for titles but not for race wins head to head...and it's fair to say that Mladin could've easily won either of the 07/08 titles if not for some bad luck. And yes...racing is all about luck etc. I mean...if Craig Sharrifs had some more luck...

If he ate less pies and drunk less beer shed be job done

[Crasherfromwayback]

If he ate less pies and drunk less beer shed be job done

lol. But you should score extra points at every single race for being old skool mate.