MotoGP 2013

[Crasherfromwayback]

Had to chuckle at this line:

Simple.

Yeah it's afuggin cool track for sure. Not sure I agree with this though

"Lorenzo's sweeping 250-style lines have brought him two world titles and a bevvy of wins, but it has also led Yamaha down an increasingly narrow performance envelope. As the bike has been made to work better and better for Lorenzo - braking early, then letting off the brakes early and carrying as much lean angle and speed as possible to fire out of the corner and onto the next straight without losing momentum - it has worked less and less well for other riders. Lorenzo's ability is unquestionable, but similar to Casey Stoner's time at Ducati, Lorenzo could be leading Yamaha down a blind alley, where one single rider becomes the crucial component to success. Once that rider is gone - through injury, retirement, or tempted away for whatever reason - that could leave Yamaha with a bike that is basically unrideable for anyone with a more conventional style."

Crtutchless seems be able to ride it easily enough...and he's not and ex 250 rider nor does he ride like that now...

[GD66]

That's crap. Any potential front-runner would give their left one to get their arse onto the works Yamaha, over the course of a season it's been the best thing out there for three years.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's crap. Any potential front-runner would give their left one to get their arse onto the works Yamaha, over the course of a season it's been the best thing out there for three years.

Exactly. Making excuses for Rossi already.

[codgyoleracer]

Exactly. Making excuses for Rossi already.

Yeah but if Rossi cant win, at least he hangs around for a bit ................

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah but if Rossi cant win, at least he hangs around for a bit ................

lol. Not sure that's a good thing. But seriously...Yamaha goes 1-2 at round one...didn't see the Honda crowd boohooing too much.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm liking the look of the Suzuki so far...

http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/05/01...s-spied-again/

[steveyb]

Note the differences in the swinging arms between the #2 and the #7 bikes.
Probably many others that I can't see.

[slowpoke]

Yeah it's afuggin cool track for sure. Not sure I agree with this though

"Lorenzo's sweeping 250-style lines have brought him two world titles and a bevvy of wins, but it has also led Yamaha down an increasingly narrow performance envelope. As the bike has been made to work better and better for Lorenzo - braking early, then letting off the brakes early and carrying as much lean angle and speed as possible to fire out of the corner and onto the next straight without losing momentum - it has worked less and less well for other riders. Lorenzo's ability is unquestionable, but similar to Casey Stoner's time at Ducati, Lorenzo could be leading Yamaha down a blind alley, where one single rider becomes the crucial component to success. Once that rider is gone - through injury, retirement, or tempted away for whatever reason - that could leave Yamaha with a bike that is basically unrideable for anyone with a more conventional style."

Crtutchless seems be able to ride it easily enough...and he's not and ex 250 rider nor does he ride like that now...

But neither Crutchless or any other Yamaha rider are winning on the thing. Rossi is a lot of things, but like him or loathe him there's no questioning a gazillion world titles or his motivation this year, but so far he's battling to keep the Honda's in sight let alone win and no-one else on the grid is gonna do any better.

That's crap. Any potential front-runner would give their left one to get their arse onto the works Yamaha, over the course of a season it's been the best thing out there for three years.

Eh? How'd you figure that? Stoner cleaned up in 2011 on the Honda, and Pedrosa dominated the second half of 2012 after Honda were nobbled by late tyre and weight changes causing massive chatter problems...which they were still able to win with. Not to mention a certain pesky Aussie couldn't have torn his ankle up at a better time if Yamaha had planned it themselves. Lorenzo rode brilliantly and managed his lead but Yamaha had quite a few stars align last year for Lorenzo to win that championship. Sorry, but no way has the Factory M1 been the "best thing out there for three years".

I can see where he's coming from, and he's got a point. Yamaha are in danger of turning the M1 into the equivalent of the last of the GP500's when they did battle with the first of the 990's. The 500's could lap quicker than the 990's at some tracks given a clear lap, but they got beat up in the race because all the 990's had to do was beat 'em to the first corner, park it, and the 500's were fucked. He hasn't called the Yamaha a heap of shit, he's just pointed out that no-one except Lorenzo is winning on the thing and he's not exactly wrong is he?

[trustme]

He hasn't called the Yamaha a heap of shit, he's just pointed out that no-one except Lorenzo is winning on the thing and he's not exactly wrong is he?

Does this make Yamaha the new Ducati . I hear where you are coming from.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But neither Crutchless or any other Yamaha rider are winning on the thing. Rossi is a lot of things, but like him or loathe him there's no questioning a gazillion world titles or his motivation this year, but so far he's battling to keep the Honda's in sight let alone win and no-one else on the grid is gonna do any better.



Eh? How'd you figure that? Stoner cleaned up in 2011 on the Honda, and Pedrosa dominated the second half of 2012 after Honda were nobbled by late tyre and weight changes causing massive chatter problems...which they were still able to win with. Not to mention a certain pesky Aussie couldn't have torn his ankle up at a better time if Yamaha had planned it themselves. Lorenzo rode brilliantly and managed his lead but Yamaha had quite a few stars align last year for Lorenzo to win that championship. Sorry, but no way has the Factory M1 been the "best thing out there for three years".

I can see where he's coming from, and he's got a point. Yamaha are in danger of turning the M1 into the equivalent of the last of the GP500's when they did battle with the first of the 990's. The 500's could lap quicker than the 990's at some tracks given a clear lap, but they got beat up in the race because all the 990's had to do was beat 'em to the first corner, park it, and the 500's were fucked. He hasn't called the Yamaha a heap of shit, he's just pointed out that no-one except Lorenzo is winning on the thing and he's not exactly wrong is he?

You not see the first round mate? And Lorenzo is winning races on the thing, because he's fucking good. He won a shitload last year on it too...and the title. Sure Pedro won more races second half of the season, but I also think you'll find that was also Lorenzo doing no more than he had to to win the title.

And I have no doubt whatsoever in my mind that should Stoner have stayed this year on gone to Yamaha...he'd win races on the thing too. Honda have always had super powerfull engines in the top class mate. But you of all people know it takes a whole lot more than that. Was Schwantz's Suzuki the quickets bike out there? Roberts Jnr's Suzuki? Wayne Rainey's Yamaha blow the Honda's away? No? The other thing being...how are the Sat Honda riders getting along vs the Sat Yams? Obviously the Honda is a stunning all round package...but I think that's also doing a dis credit to the two guys riding the Repsol bikes. Two freaks...at the top of their game.

[BMWST?]

You not see the first round mate? And Lorenzo is winning races on the thing, because he's fucking good. He won a shitload last year on it too...and the title. Sure Pedro won more races second half of the season, but I also think you'll find that was also Lorenzo doing no more than he had to to win the title.

And I have no doubt whatsoever in my mind that should Stoner have stayed this year on gone to Yamaha...he'd win races on the thing too. Honda have always had super powerfull engines in the top class mate. But you of all people know it takes a whole lot more than that. Was Schwantz's Suzuki the quickets bike out there? Roberts Jnr's Suzuki? Wayne Rainey's Yamaha blow the Honda's away? No? The other thing being...how are the Sat Honda riders getting along vs the Sat Yams? Obviously the Honda is a stunning all round package...but I think that's also doing a dis credit to the two guys riding the Repsol bikes. Two freaks...at the top of their game.

not only that but the honda yamaha cycle seems almost to be year and year about..

[Crasherfromwayback]

not only that but the honda yamaha cycle seems almost to be year and year about..

Aye. Tell ya what though...I wouldn't be against Rossi or Lorenzo at Mugello though...

[BMWST?]

Aye. Tell ya what though...I wouldn't be against Rossi or Lorenzo at Mugello though...

it will be interesting for sure...but the honda and their riders wont be a pushover. Very important weekend for the factory Yamahas.

[Crasherfromwayback]

it will be interesting for sure...but the honda and their riders wont be a pushover. Very important weekend for the factory Yamahas.

Be plenty of elbow dragging action from MM I bet round there. Think he's paying $4.00 at the TAB which isn't soo shabby...



Here ya go...

MM

Lorenzo

Rossi

Bautista

Dovi

Crutchless and Pedro in the kitty litter.

[BMWST?]

Be plenty of elbow dragging action from MM I bet round there. Think he's paying $4.00 at the TAB which isn't soo shabby...



Here ya go...

MM

Lorenzo

Rossi

Bautista

Dovi

Crutchless and Pedro in the kitty litter.

dovi??? apparently the duc is at its worst in those big fast corners...And i hope you wrong re pedro...