MotoGP 2013

**tail_end_charlie** · 29th November 2012, 14:21

Originally Posted by denill

Yeah and seriously - if they raced the Ducati WSBK 1098R in the CRT class they could be up there?

Yeah, funny enough (or not so funny, depends on how you look at it) they probably could. But that would be cheating..........cause the 1098R is 1200cc. Be interesting to see someone take a 2008 Desmosedici RR and put it into the CRT field. Betcha that could get around track ahead of that Suter/BMW contraption that CEII ran all season.

**Mental Trousers** · 29th November 2012, 15:25

Superbikes can't run anywhere near the same times on the MotoGP tyres and vice versa.

Pirelli's superbike tyres are nice and squishy with lots of feedback. MotoGP's Bridgestones are a hell of a lot stiffer and require the chassis to be stiffer to get more work into them etc.

**RobGassit** · 29th November 2012, 15:48

http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchive...2013_Entry.pdf

Maverick flicks the Honda for a KTM.

**pritch** · 30th November 2012, 09:43

Originally Posted by denill

Wow, very revealing. And embarassing for the MotoGP and CRT...................

This was discussed overnight on Twitter. The expert opinion was that the Moto GP bikes are at a disadvantage because of the fuel limit and the six engines max.

I did read somewhere that one of the WSBK teams used 40 engines in 2012.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 30th November 2012, 10:11

Originally Posted by pritch

This was discussed overnight on Twitter. The expert opinion was that the Moto GP bikes are at a disadvantage because of the fuel limit and the six engines max.

I did read somewhere that one of the WSBK teams used 40 engines in 2012.

The superbike time at Jerez that was set, was done on a soft tyre and a one off Banzai lap. Compared to Nicky Hayden on the Ducati on a normal tyre. Not too much to read into that.

**pritch** · 30th November 2012, 13:49

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

The superbike time at Jerez that was set, was done on a soft tyre and a one off Banzai lap. Compared to Nicky Hayden on the Ducati on a normal tyre. Not too much to read into that.

True, but there's not much to discuss in the off season.

**tail_end_charlie** · 30th November 2012, 14:12

Originally Posted by pritch

True, but there's not much to discuss in the off season.

We could start a lottery to see whose going to break themselves over the winter furlough doing motorcross.

**roogazza** · 30th November 2012, 18:31

Originally Posted by pritch

True, but there's not much to discuss in the off season.

Four or five months is going to seem like forever.

**yod** · 30th November 2012, 19:06

Interesting comments from Mr Smith.....

....
Dexter Fielding:
It would be fair to say that 2012 was not the way you would've wanted it to turn out - what happened with the updates?

Bradley Smith:
The new fairing was supposed to come for the rest of the season; I had it for one race, crashed it and then it went away again. The exhaust update that I thought was going to give us a better idea, didn't.

To be honest a lot of it came down to - there was cheating going on inside Moto2 this year. We were not one of those teams and we suffered for it.
There was nothing else we could do as a team to make our bike faster. It was just slow. And, yeah, when you've got other teams cheating... Other teams with budget maybe 'bending the rules' - let's say - and buying the necessary components to make a difference, then that's when you lose your time.

Dexter Fielding:
There were reports about Marquez's bike...

Bradley Smith:
It wasn't just Marquez, it was going on with a lot of riders.

......

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/186...mith_-_qa.html

**Crasherfromwayback** · 30th November 2012, 19:28

Originally Posted by yod

Interesting comments from Mr Smith.....

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Well he'll have his chance to show us all how good he really is now eh! For my money...he's a waste of space and a good Yamaha seat.

**Wingnut** · 30th November 2012, 20:00

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Well he'll have his chance to show us all how good he really is now eh! For my money...he's a waste of space and a good Yamaha seat.

Yep - I agree. Cant see why they had such a contract sorted with Bradley Smith! He had the ride in moto gp when he got the tech 3 ride in moto 2.. Madness!

**Crasherfromwayback** · 30th November 2012, 20:13

Originally Posted by Wingnut

Yep - I agree. Cant see why they had such a contract sorted with Bradley Smith! He had the ride in moto gp when he got the tech 3 ride in moto 2.. Madness!

Aye. And it's all well and good wanking on about others 'cheating'...but 99% of the time it's simply proven to be the rider(s) in question having skills the accuser lacks.

Even if MM had a slightly faster bike...how did that help him come from dead last to 1st at Valencia?

The surface was that slippery...if you had the skill required...you could've won on the slowest bike.

**Tony.OK** · 30th November 2012, 21:19

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Well he'll have his chance to show us all how good he really is now eh! For my money...he's a waste of space and a good Yamaha seat.

Yup.......I wanted to see Redding on a MotoGP bike, maybe not the best season either for him but clearly more talented than Smith, a fair bit heavier too which was a disadvantage on the 600's. Be fast on a big bike once the red mist is controlled.

**tail_end_charlie** · 30th November 2012, 21:20

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Aye. And it's all well and good wanking on about others 'cheating'...but 99% of the time it's simply proven to be the rider(s) in question having skills the accuser lacks.

Even if MM had a slightly faster bike...how did that help him come from dead last to 1st at Valencia?

The surface was that slippery...if you had the skill required...you could've won on the slowest bike.

Isn't that exactly what Smitty is talking about? All those guys who are better than him are cheaters......................how can he have a equal footing to them?!?!

**tail_end_charlie** · 30th November 2012, 21:22

Originally Posted by Tony.OK

Yup.......I wanted to see Redding on a MotoGP bike, maybe not the best season either for him but clearly more talented than Smith, a fair bit heavier too which was a disadvantage on the 600's. Be fast on a big bike once the red mist is controlled.

Ditto to that. IMHO Redding was doing much better, and running more consistently than Smitty ever did.