MotoGP 2013

[pritch]

But that asphalt seems to come and go.
In 2008 it was definitely not there,

I think it was there in 2008 but was partially covered with dust. I remember Rossi saying in an interview that he had noticed the seal prior to the race and had added that corner to his list of potential overtaking spots.

[actungbaby]

Funny you should mention that. I notice while I watched on Sunday, that the track is rough as guts. The big bump in the left after the corkscrew seems to be better than previous years, but the ones leading into the final turn were shocking.

Yes looked bit rough even to my untrained eyes ;-)

Mind you do cars race there . back in day didnt think they had bucket loads cash unlike indy

And new texas outfit . thought was Mr roberts dream to get gp bikes there .

Remember honda gp boys used hate it there brakes fading gardner going from iron disks

To carbon breaking his leg few times . must made it safer with run of was nightmare before.

Or just 4 stokes are more tame ?

[Brett]

Go and have another look at it guys. Looked to me like Rossi (in typical dirty fashion) tried to run MM into the dirt. So he hardly has any cause to be upset by MM's move.

You're a bloody old cynic Crasher!I think that his line was wide and he hadn't anticipated MM being there, but that's all. It's one of those "racing" things.

Would be cool for Stoner to make his way back into MotoGP...I miss his style.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You're a bloody old cynic Crasher!I think that his line was wide and he hadn't anticipated MM being there, but that's all. It's one of those "racing" things.

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lol. Maybe I am. But how may times have you watched it on MotoGP.Com mate? How could he not *anticipate* MM being there when MM was actually in front of him entering the corkscrew? I'll do some screen grabs as I did for the MM vs Lorenzo incedent at Jerez if you'd like?

[Crasherfromwayback]

You're a bloody old cynic Crasher!I think that his line was wide and he hadn't anticipated MM being there, but that's all. It's one of those "racing" things.

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Ok. You asked for it. You seriously trying to tell me Rossi couldn't see MM doing this? You seriously think he didn't know he'd just been passed fair and square? You still wanna hang on to the facdt that Rossi is a clean racer and mearly didn't see MM coming...didn't know he was there...and that it was just one of *those things*? Riiiiiight....

Satan's Bottom! The site is telling me the pics are too large. I hear that all the time! :-) I'll resize/name the fuckers soon and come back to you. Mean time...check the free footage on MotoGP.com. I reckon you'll change your mind.

[Mental Trousers]

Marquez' knee was about level with Rossi's front wheel most of the way up the hill and at the right hand kink before the corkscrew, Rossi knew he was there alright. But Rossi definitely had the line and he used it to run Marquez wide, perfectly legitimate from him. What he didn't expect though was Marquez would ride straight through the off track bit.

It's perfectly clear from the video.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Marquez' knee was about level with Rossi's front wheel most of the way up the hill and at the right hand kink before the corkscrew, Rossi knew he was there alright. But Rossi definitely had the line and he used it to run Marquez wide, perfectly legitimate from him. ]

Generally when you're in front you have the right of way.

Because I've saved screen grabs from the slow mo coverage...they're not uploading. But we'll obviously have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Drew]

Generally when you're in front you have the right of way.

Because I've saved screen grabs from the slow mo coverage...they're not uploading. But we'll obviously have to agree to disagree on this one.

I've watched it quite a few times just now. I still think that as they came over the crest of the hill, Rossi couldn't get far enough right to tip in and hold his line, at the speed they were giong.

There is no doubting Rossi is a wiley old racer, but given that he clearly respects MM I don't think there was an intent to push him wide.

[Mental Trousers]

Generally when you're in front you have the right of way.

Yeah for sure, but he wasn't in front enough. Marquez has been racing since he was a toddler and he races hard, sometimes too hard, he isn't scared of putting a hard pass on someone. But he didn't try to slam the door on Rossi so given his history I reckon it's safe to say he wasn't far enough past to do it.

[denill]

Marquez' knee was about level with Rossi's front wheel most of the way up the hill and at the right hand kink before the corkscrew, Rossi knew he was there alright. But Rossi definitely had the line and he used it to run Marquez wide, perfectly legitimate from him. What he didn't expect though was Marquez would ride straight through the off track bit.
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Yep, that's what I saw. Rossi tried to squeeze him out, but you don't squeeze that little bugger easily. He had already practised that line earlier.

[Crasherfromwayback]

There is no doubting Rossi is a wiley old racer, but given that he clearly respects MM I don't think there was an intent to push him wide.

And he's never brake checked anyone before either I bet...

Yeah for sure, but he wasn't in front enough. Marquez has been racing since he was a toddler and he races hard, sometimes too hard, he isn't scared of putting a hard pass on someone. But he didn't try to slam the door on Rossi so given his history I reckon it's safe to say he wasn't far enough past to do it.

Depends at which point you stop the coverage mate. If I could get thses cunting pics to upload...think you may change your mind. And yeah...if he'd tried to do what Simo did to Pedro, I think Rossi would've torpedoed him and both gone down. So he made the right decision I reckon.

[Brett]

lol. Maybe I am. But how may times have you watched it on MotoGP.Com mate? How could he not *anticipate* MM being there when MM was actually in front of him entering the corkscrew? I'll do some screen grabs as I did for the MM vs Lorenzo incedent at Jerez if you'd like?

I haven't...just watched the race! Get screen grabs if it will make your case....

[Crasherfromwayback]

I haven't...just watched the race! Get screen grabs if it will make your case....

lol. And it was awesome I reckon. And don't get me wrong...I'm all for a bit of argy bargy mate. Think you'll find Ben Spies also called it Rossi running it in too deep. But maybe he got drawn in by MM's super late braking. I've tried the screen grab thing...but the site ain't liking them for some reason. I'm just glad they both stayed upright...and I hope it motivates Rossi to go even harder. Tis good seeing him back at the pointy end for sure.

[Brett]

Either way, I love MM's attitude and audacity! That pass made me crack up at the time. No Crasher...I don't think Rossi is a perfectly clean racer...but then MM definitely is not either...and that's what I love about them! Yes guys like Pedrosa and Lorenzo are usually so clean that they are almost sterile, and they are GREAT racers, but sometimes a little boring to watch. Rossi and MM keep it interesting. Personally, I would rather race someone like Rossi or MM (if I were that good) because I like the nature of it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Either way, I love MM's attitude and audacity! That pass made me crack up at the time. No Crasher...I don't think Rossi is a perfectly clean racer...but then MM definitely is not either...and that's what I love about them! Yes guys like Pedrosa and Lorenzo are usually so clean that they are almost sterile, and they are GREAT racers, but sometimes a little boring to watch. Rossi and MM keep it interesting. Personally, I would rather race someone like Rossi or MM (if I were that good) because I like the nature of it.

Agree 100% mate. And being from a moto-x backround...I'm not beyond getting involved in a bit of rough and tumble myself on or off road.