MotoGP 2013

**Crasherfromwayback** · 31st July 2013, 22:00

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

What the fuck do I do with all these books now I've gottem?

Wild stab in the dark here...but I reckon read 'em!!

**pritch** · 31st July 2013, 22:29

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

I thought "Fuck it, lifes too short", and hit the buy now straight after posting that link. I love bookdepository. I hate bookdepository.

What the fuck do I do with all these books now I've gottem?

Could be worse. I received a prepublication notice under the impression it was from the Book Depository and ordered the book, but buggered if the email wasn't from Amazon. I'll write the freight off as a tax on stupidity.

What I'm going to do with my books is buy a way overdue large bookshelf...

**Crasherfromwayback** · 31st July 2013, 23:06

Originally Posted by pritch

What I'm going to do with my books is buy a way overdue large bookshelf...

Still got the one you were good enough to send down here I'll send back anytime you want mate!

**slowpoke** · 31st July 2013, 23:51

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Last corner at Donnington anyone? Two BMW's in the dirt. Come on mate...Superbikes have been taking each other out just as often...despite the 2004 season you speak of. It's a part of racing...and you know it. And the electronic aids do nothing for tucking the front and binning it...taking others with you anyway. And of course I know Stoner won the title...but he may not have if he'd broken his collar bone or wrist etc. And I'm not obsessed by that Rossi move...merely an example. My point being....even the best make silly mistakes at times.

Now Bautista. Lets see. Spanish 125 Champ. World 125cc Champ. Rookie of the year 1st year in 250's in a fully packed grid. Runner up in 250cc champs twice, once behind the all conquering Lorenzo, then behind Aoyama. Now what's Bradley Smith won again mate? How many world titles sorry? Runner up in the world series how many times sorry? Yep. Bautista's a real bunny.

Yep, totally agree, they're all gonna make mistakes at times.

The WSB stuff I suprisingly enjoyed was right on the cusp of the electronic era, which seems to be the crucial element. The Donnington incident is from the other end of the electronic spectrum. Now the bikes are ruled by electronics engineers and the differences in drive are miniscule, so I almost understand the desperation in the opening lap or two while the field is bunched, 'cos it's just so bloody hard to pass. It was good listening to James Haydon's commentary of WSB, he'd see a good drive and predict the passing point, or a slamming of the door as a corner tightened etc. There just isn't the opportunity now to get a significantly better drive (unless you are on a Honda, lol) than your rivals. Throw in virtually identical brake and suspension packages it's easy to see why it's morphing into slot-bike racing.

Don't worry mate, I'm just playing devils advocate re Bautista, Smith and co. Bautista is no bunny as you say, he just hasn't quite progressed (to my mind anyway) as I'd hoped. FYI. he was second in 250GP to Simo and Aoyama (of all people), came 4th in Lorenzo's year.

As for Smith, it's Herve Poncharal's dollar and he can spend it how he likes. If that's what he needs to do to keep his team afloat then good on him. People forget business priority isn't about the best possible product or being the most successful, it's about making money....or in a MotoGP Team's case where money is hard to come by (remember even Factory Yamaha struggled to find a sponsor) just staying alive.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 31st July 2013, 23:54

Originally Posted by slowpoke

Yep, totally agree, they're all gonna make mistakes at times.

The WSB stuff I suprisingly enjoyed was right on the cusp of the electronic era, which seems to be the crucial element. The Donnington incident is from the other end of the electronic spectrum. Now the bikes are ruled by electronics engineers and the differences in drive are miniscule, so I almost understand the desperation in the opening lap or two while the field is bunched, 'cos it's just so bloody hard to pass. It was good listening to James Haydon's commentary of WSB, he'd see a good drive and predict the passing point, or a slamming of the door as a corner tightened etc. There just isn't the opportunity now to get a significantly better drive (unless you are on a Honda, lol) than your rivals. Throw in virtually identical brake and suspension packages it's easy to see why it's morphing into slot-bike racing.

Don't worry mate, I'm just playing devils advocate re Bautista, Smith and co. Bautista is no bunny as you say, he just hasn't quite progressed (to my mind anyway) as I'd hoped. FYI. he was second in 250GP to Simo and Aoyama (of all people), came 4th in Lorenzo's year.

As for Smith, it's Herve Poncharal's dollar and he can spend it how he likes. If that's what he needs to do to keep his team afloat then good on him. People forget business priority isn't about the best possible product or being the most successful, it's about making money....or in a MotoGP Team's case where money is hard to come by (remember even Factory Yamaha struggled to find a sponsor) just staying alive.

Stop it. I don't like it when you make sense. I can't abuse you.

**pritch** · 1st August 2013, 00:31

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Still got the one you were good enough to send down here I'll send back anytime you want mate!

You can have that, or move it on to someone who might appreciate it. My problem is too many books, rather than too few.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 1st August 2013, 00:34

Originally Posted by pritch

You can have that, or move it on to someone who might appreciate it. My problem is too many books, rather than too few.

A true gentleman. Finished reading it in hospital after my ankle fusion. I owe you beer/wine.

**Bender** · 1st August 2013, 08:13

You bastards just cost me $53.44 with all your book talk. You can repay me by buying my book when it comes out soon (some cracker NZ bikes featured in there),

Bautista. An interesting scenario there all right. I used to love watching him on the Suzuki, but now I wonder if the bike deserved better. He's not setting the world alight on the Honda, which is disappointing to a fan (which I am).

**roogazza** · 1st August 2013, 11:18

Originally Posted by Bender

Bautista. An interesting scenario there all right. I used to love watching him on the Suzuki, but now I wonder if the bike deserved better. He's not setting the world alight on the Honda, which is disappointing to a fan (which I am).

I've seem him have some great rides in 125 and 250. But hey, some can't follow it through to the bigger class.

On an entirely different level, I always felt better on bigger bikes.But maybe that was just my size ?

**GD66** · 1st August 2013, 11:29

I thought he did fight pretty hard on the Suzuki, but it was always with an air of foreboding waiting for him to bin it near the end, which he frequently did ! Suzuki may have deserved better, but are/were unlikely to attract the best riders as their results have been forever crap, caused by a habit of going GP racing with a half-arsed effort.
Apart from Schwantz riding to and over the edge every time out, and KR Jr's impressive effort on a bike that clearly wasn't the best out there, they have achieved SFA, thus preventing the accountants from releasing more money to develop and improve the bike. Never more starkly evidenced than their effort at Phillip Island a few years back when Chris Vermeulen's Suzuki's times were beaten in practice, qual and race by Wayne Maxwell on the Honda Australia superbike, ouch !
Personally I hope they are competitive, but if they leave recent test pilot Randy de Puniet on the bike, it'll be back to the old scenario for them of waiting for the crash...