MotoGP 2013

**BMWST?** · 2nd October 2013, 12:44

Isnt this what has been said all along.....they dont know how to fix it,and I beleive Audi wont know,racing motorcycle frames is an art.its a science for only a few

**Drew** · 2nd October 2013, 12:59

Originally Posted by BMWST?

Isnt this what has been said all along.....they dont know how to fix it,and I beleive Audi wont know,racing motorcycle frames is an art.its a science for only a few

I read it to mean, that the designers are pretty much refusing to do what people know needs to happen.

**eelracing** · 2nd October 2013, 13:18

Originally Posted by Hinny

MM is regarded by some as being over the limit and this may bite him. His luck may run out and Dani's may improve.
No foregone conclusions here.

I hope for the championships sake that Jorge and Dani aint relying on the same thing.

**ecko_nzed** · 2nd October 2013, 13:22

"We have to take the necessary decisions to increase the competence which we do not have at this moment."

I take that to mean heads are gonna roll, or we have to buy in the resource with the know how. Probably both

**Mental Trousers** · 2nd October 2013, 13:27

Originally Posted by Drew

I read it to mean, that the designers are pretty much refusing to do what people know needs to happen.

That's close I think. I've always thought the problem was management. Previously it was Preziosi who was a typical Italian male - stubborn, arrogant but extremely passionate who dictated what would be designed and produced. Now it seems it's Audi and upper management apathy??

**Crasherfromwayback** · 2nd October 2013, 14:00

Originally Posted by Hinny

Well I'll just have to disagree with both of you.
Dani's five new lap records in the last year are testimony to his ability.
MM is regarded by some as being over the limit and this may bite him. His luck may run out and Dani's may improve.
No foregone conclusions here.

And you're most welcome to. But seeing as you like stats so much...the only real one worth fuck all of anything is championships. And that stat reads in Moto GP...Dani Pedrosa 0. In how many years of trying? Obviously he's awesome...fast as fuck. Only a total blind dickhead would argue that. But he's missing some mongrel or mental strength to win championships in this class...against these other guys mate.

**Oscar** · 2nd October 2013, 14:30

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

And you're most welcome to. But seeing as you like stats so much...the only real one worth fuck all of anything is championships. And that stat reads in Moto GP...Dani Pedrosa 0. In how many years of trying? Obviously he's awesome...fast as fuck. Only a total blind dickhead would argue that. But he's missing some mongrel or mental strength to win championships in this class...against these other guys mate.

He is almost certainly going to be in the same club as Randy Mamola - fast as fuck, no luck (holy shit, I'm rapping!).
He can't seem to string a season together without crashing and hurting himself.
Maybe Crasher is right - he's missing that last 1% called mental toughness.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 2nd October 2013, 14:48

Originally Posted by Oscar

He is almost certainly going to be in the same club as Randy Mamola - fast as fuck, no luck (holy shit, I'm rapping!).
He can't seem to string a season together without crashing and hurting himself.
Maybe Crasher is right - he's missing that last 1% called mental toughness.

Yep. Poor old Randy was maybe the same eh! The fastest racers to have never won it. If you look at the season where he and Simo came together...how long did Pedro take off with his broken collar bone (and I know every break is diff...had a few meself!)? Comapre that to Lorenzo this year at Assen. Right there is your answer I feel. Same to a certain extent with MM this year. I know he only dislocated his, stretched some tendons and maybe craked the top of the clavicle?, But he fucking near won the race later that arvo. And after his 340kph biff at Mugello? Racing in 2nd when he binned it again. Tough cunt(s). And sure Pedro is too (anyone doing what they do is)...maybe just not tough enough to hang with these freaks.

**Hinny** · 2nd October 2013, 17:30

Originally Posted by Oscar

He is almost certainly going to be in the same club as Randy Mamola - fast as fuck, no luck (holy shit, I'm rapping!).
He can't seem to string a season together without crashing and hurting himself.
Maybe Crasher is right - he's missing that last 1% called mental toughness.

In cars Stirling Moss and Chris Amon may be regarded as in the same league. Both faster than anybody else but never won a world title.
At least Dani has a few world titles to his credit. Just not the biggest class ... Yet.
Won the most GPs of his career last year. More than anybody else in fact but the title still eluded him.
Next year maybe.

**ecko_nzed** · 2nd October 2013, 21:31

Originally Posted by Hinny

In cars Stirling Moss and Chris Amon may be regarded as in the same league. Both faster than anybody else but never won a world title.
At least Dani has a few world titles to his credit. Just not the biggest class ... Yet.
Won the most GPs of his career last year. More than anybody else in fact but the title still eluded him.
Next year maybe.

When does his contract expire, end of 2014 season? Might have the likes of Scott Redding waiting to take his factory seat by then.

**Brett** · 2nd October 2013, 21:35

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

That's all well and good mate...but it's about winning titles. And sadly...I very much doubt he's got what it takes to win the big boys title.

Nah mate, I disagree...Dani had the champion potential. He just also has really bad luck in being taken out too often and being injured! He is similar to Jorge in that he can run fast, consistent laps. He was, and remains!, a close contender. All it takes is for MM to have an off in one race and a poor finish in another and the whole thing is wide open again. That said, I do not believe that that will happen. MM is an amazing rider and will no doubt blitz his way to the end. The kid is AMAZING.

**Brett** · 2nd October 2013, 21:37

Originally Posted by Bender

I have to agree with Crasher - Dani's hopes of a title have pretty much gone. (In fact, everyone is in the same boat because MM is good enough to win the next 5, just like Doohan did).

I like Pedrosa and I hoped he would win the title but once again someone taking him out has eliminated whatever chance he had. It's not the first time that has happened to DP.

The head honchos at Honda must now surely be looking at replacing Pedrosa with one of the hot new stars - an Espargaro, or putting Tom Sykes or a Laverty on a motogp bike. It's either that or revert to a team structure that uses Pedrosa tactically to help MM win his titles.

It's a real sad end for Pedrosa because he surely deserved a title or two - but he's going to go down in history as one of those guys who are good enough, but not lucky enough.

Where do you guys get 5 races from...I get only 4...(Malaysia, Aussie, Japan, Valancia....) please enlighten me if I have missed one??

**Brett** · 2nd October 2013, 21:40

Originally Posted by Hinny

In cars Stirling Moss and Chris Amon may be regarded as in the same league. Both faster than anybody else but never won a world title.
At least Dani has a few world titles to his credit. Just not the biggest class ... Yet.
Won the most GPs of his career last year. More than anybody else in fact but the title still eluded him.
Next year maybe.

Nope, not next year. Next year MM will be back with more experience, more ability to help with tech design on the bike...he will be faster and more cunning. I'm willing to bet that MM dominates next season too. Jorge might be a close contender though. I think Rossi has seen his best days out now too, sad as I am to type that (as my favourite rider.)