MotoGP 2013

[yod]

As for the Dorna circus, it's what you get when the people running it don't know motorcycles - and Ezpalata doesn't. You also get a situation where a half length Moto2 race, which would normally only qualify for half points is awarded full points, but it isn't as if that greatly favoured anyone. Oh hang on...

Sangria anyone???

[Dave-]

I spoke to the Race Director three hours before the race and he certainly seemed to think that testing could have and should have been done by both tyre suppliers months previously.

He was a wee bit wound up at the time.

How much input do you think race direction have in bridgestone testing?

Carmine Moscariltolo from the marketing department of bridgestone said "There was no group tests or private tests here at the island....so we didn't have the chance to run it [the tyres] here with the bikes...."

It sounds to me like they didn't have the chance to test there.

I liked the attitude in that article.

"Mandatory, not optional, pit-stops and changing of bikes. Within a two-lap window, not at rider’s or team’s discretion. In a category where Dorna are already in danger of impeding the racing with restrictions, the mandatory bike change was ridiculous. Why not just allow the option to change?"

The answer to that question is because Bridgestone would not guarantee the tyres past ten laps. Simple. And looking at that pic of MMs tyre they got that right if nothing else.

Yes, but if no rule had been made by dorna, then it seems like it'd be in the best interests of every team to not ride the tyres past 10 laps? whole thing could have sorted itself out.

[Oscar]

How much input do you think race direction have in bridgestone testing?

Not much obviously.
However, if Bridgestone had of wanted a test on a newly surfaced track, they would have got one.

[Dave-]

Not much obviously.
However, if Bridgestone had of wanted a test on a newly surfaced track, they would have got one.

So they didn't want to test at Phillip island? got a source for that 'cause this is the first I've heard?

[Oscar]

So they didn't want to test at Phillip island? got a source for that 'cause this is the first I've heard?

Do you have a source that says a test was requested and refused?

[Dave-]

Do you have a source that says a test was requested and refused?

No. But I'm not saying that a test was requested and refused.

I'm saying bridgestone said they didn't have a chance to test and here's my source:

At the start of BBC coverage of the Phillip Island race Carmine Moscariltolo from the marketing department of Bridgestone said "There was no group tests or private tests here at the island....so we didn't have the chance to run it [the tyres] here with the bikes...."

Do you, or do you not have a source to back up your claim that bridgestone didn't want to test at Phillip Island?

[Crasherfromwayback]

At the start of BBC coverage of the Phillip Island race Carmine Moscariltolo from the marketing department of Bridgestone said "There was no group tests or private tests here at the island....so we didn't have the chance to run it [the tyres] here with the bikes...."

But that doesn't mean they couldn't have should they have wanted to.

[Dave-]

But that doesn't mean they couldn't have should they have wanted to.

It also doesn't mean they could, should they have wanted to.

[Oscar]

No. But I'm not saying that a test was requested and refused.

I'm saying bridgestone said they didn't have a chance to test and here's my source:

At the start of BBC coverage of the Phillip Island race Carmine Moscariltolo from the marketing department of Bridgestone said "There was no group tests or private tests here at the island....so we didn't have the chance to run it [the tyres] here with the bikes...."

Do you, or do you not have a source to back up your claim that bridgestone didn't want to test at Phillip Island?

I didn't say they didn't want to.
The comment I heard (from a Dorna employee) was that Bridgestone was taken totally by surprise by the new track surface.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It also doesn't mean they could, should they have wanted to.

Of course not. But I'll be you two cartons of Steinlager (2x 24 packs) that they could've if they'd wanted to.

[Oscar]

It also doesn't mean they could, should they have wanted to.

It's not a matter of could, it's a matter of they never thought to ask.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's not a matter of could, it's a matter of they never thought to ask.

And it would also seem like they didn't even think to check with the peeps that laid it to see what sort of grip levels they'd be faced with. Pretty fucking bad.

[Dave-]

I didn't say they didn't want to.
The comment I heard (from a Dorna employee) was that Bridgestone was taken totally by surprise by the track surface.

However, if Bridgestone had of wanted a test on a newly surfaced track, they would have got one.

Bridgestone did not get a test, this is a fact.

You say if they had wanted one, they would have got one. They did not get a test, therefore you claim they did not want a test.

If you want to retract your statement you're welcome to.

I just wanted to see where you'd got this idea from because it would suggest gross negligence on the behalf of Bridgestone.

From what I can tell, Dorna never set up a group test, Honda/Yamaha/Ducati/satellite and CRT teams never set up a test.

Bridgestone can only test where the bikes are, I don't recall any of the pre-season testing being done without tyres?

[onearmedbandit]

It also states in that article that Bridgestone didn't even consult with the company that laid the new track.

[Oscar]

Bridgestone did not get a test, this is a fact.

You say if they had wanted one, they would have got one. They did not get a test, therefore you claim they did not want a test.

If you want to retract your statement you're welcome to.

I just wanted to see where you'd got this idea from because it would suggest gross negligence on the behalf of Bridgestone.

From what I can tell, Dorna never set up a group test, Honda/Yamaha/Ducati/satellite and CRT teams never set up a test.

Bridgestone can only test where the bikes are, I don't recall any of the pre-season testing being done without tyres?

Jeez, are tripping?
They didn't ask for a test.

As for gross negligence, what would you call the fact that they turned up to PI with no suitable tyres?