Weed legalised in 2 USA states

[scumdog]

so we are going to criminalise V/Red Bull and the other caffeine based mood and energy enhancers? We are going to criminalise alcohol consumptions? and we are finally going to classify cigarette as the most deadliest and most addictive drug ever?

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We can only hope!

[scumdog]

however, you will find more people drunk on the road than stoned.
and sadly drink driving is accepted.

Not down here it isn't. (It happens but it's not accepted)

It might happen but it's not accepted

So I suggest you move out of the area you're living in.

[BoristheBiter]

quite simply the netherlands have shown that de-criminalising weed and 'tolerating' its consumption, allowing for retailing of weed and hashish in a controlled environment to adults is possible. Despite rumors, not all habitants of the flat country have turned into no good long haired and unshaven hippies.

a neat little page on the costs of the War on Drugs http://www.drugsense.org/cms/wodclock

use of drugs in the netherlands compared to the states http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/netherlands_v_us

Maybe not but you get asked if you want to buy other drugs on every street corner.
If legalising it means it will end up like Amsterdam then I vote to keep banning it that city is a drug cesspit.

[mashman]

Maybe not but you get asked if you want to buy other drugs on every street corner.
If legalising it means it will end up like Amsterdam then I vote to keep banning it that city is a drug cesspit.

They're just businessmen trying to earn some money. Should they go door to door instead?

[Berries]

I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about. I have weed in at least six different states and never got in to any trouble.

[blue rider]

Maybe not but you get asked if you want to buy other drugs on every street corner.
If legalising it means it will end up like Amsterdam then I vote to keep banning it that city is a drug cesspit.

sorry, but this is another one of those rumors that aint true. Happend so that I lived and worked in the Netherlands for a couple of years for an international sports company, what can I say, I did it.

i lived in Hilversum, which is about 35 ks of Amsterdam and bout 15 kms of Utrecht, good country to ride a bicycle.
I was never offerend anything on the road, especially considering that the dutchies are quite conservative.
smoking weed is not something a dutch person would do in puplic, it is not advertised, it is a private pleasure.

the only ones making an arse out of themselves are the usual suspects, either american, poms and sadly kiwis. drunk by seven and then some.

but maybe you have been hanging out in corners where you would get offered some sex, drugs and rock and roll.


the city of Amsterdam is a drug cesspit, because of the tourists coming to get stoned, and laid, and drunk. nothing to do with Amsterdam or the Dutch population.

you go to certain parts of NZ, and you get to buy all sorts of stuff, legal or not.

fact is prohibition does not work, it never did.

the question is do we want to take it out of the dark corners and the gangs, into an enforced and controlled environment or not.

[scumdog]

They're just businessmen trying to earn some money. Should they go door to door instead?

Selling their products of high quality and purity for a modest profit no doubt...

[mashman]

Selling their products of high quality and purity for a modest profit no doubt...

Are you saying that they're selling a product of "required" quality to maximise profit? In which case, they're just following the flock

[scumdog]

Are you saying that they're selling a product of "required" quality to maximise profit? In which case, they're just following the flock

Ah, quality control dictated by their discerning clients?? pffft..."I don't think so Tim'

'The flock' has has Govt dictating the required quality for THEIR product to a major degree.

[jrandom]

Would much rather share the road with someone who has a beer or 2 than someone who was stoned!

At home, we have a driving seat with force feedback steering wheel and pedals etc set up in the lounge in front of a 50" plasma screen. My flatmate takes Gran Turismo 5 quite seriously.

An interesting experiment to try is to set the best lap time you can, without crashing, on, say, the Nurburgring.

Then have a couple of drinks. Not a lot, just a 'couple'. Which in NZ terms is usually about 4.0 standard drinks, given the way people knock back that horrible premixed bourbon and cola shit.

Then try and match your previous lap.

You'll crash.

Take a hit from the bong instead, though, and you'll have a reasonable chance of actually going faster.

Not statistically significant or particularly scientific, but that's how it goes, every time.

So, yes, I guess I would rather share the road with someone who was stoned. Obviously sober is best, but, y'know, if I had to pick the lesser of the two evils. Generally, stoned = very cautious and self-conscious. Drunk just = 'WHEEEEEEEEE!'

By the way, you do realise that 'getting stoned' isn't an on-off switch, right? No more than 'getting drunk' is. You can smoke or eat more or less cannabis depending on how much you want it to affect you. A quick puff can indeed be the psychoactive equivalent of one beer. Or you can eat a strong piece of cake made with cannabis and be flat on your back all day.

[mashman]

Ah, quality control dictated by their discerning clients?? pffft..."I don't think so Tim'

'The flock' has has Govt dictating the required quality for THEIR product to a major degree.

Like any business. There are those with a quality product at a higher price and those with a lesser quality product for a lower price. To highlight: The Quad Core processor from AMD, more expensive than the triple core processor. However both have 4 cores. The triple failed quality control and had a core disabled and can be yours for a lot less than the quad core. Same product, but priced differently due to product quality. As you well know sunny ma bouy, the client has fuck all to do with anything, that's what marketing and advertising are for.

yes they do, and where do the recommendations in regards to quality come from? Trusted and impartial public professionals, or trusted and impartial private professionals?

[Road kill]

sorry, but this is another one of those rumors that aint true. Happend so that I lived and worked in the Netherlands for a couple of years for an international sports company, what can I say, I did it.

i lived in Hilversum, which is about 35 ks of Amsterdam and bout 15 kms of Utrecht, good country to ride a bicycle.
I was never offerend anything on the road, especially considering that the dutchies are quite conservative.
smoking weed is not something a dutch person would do in puplic, it is not advertised, it is a private pleasure.

the only ones making an arse out of themselves are the usual suspects, either american, poms and sadly kiwis. drunk by seven and then some.

but maybe you have been hanging out in corners where you would get offered some sex, drugs and rock and roll.


the city of Amsterdam is a drug cesspit, because of the tourists coming to get stoned, and laid, and drunk. nothing to do with Amsterdam or the Dutch population.

you go to certain parts of NZ, and you get to buy all sorts of stuff, legal or not.

fact is prohibition does not work, it never did.

the question is do we want to take it out of the dark corners and the gangs, into an enforced and controlled environment or not.

The answer is NO.

Our Gov't is not about freedom,it's about control,,,,and everything that goes with it.

Our police use weed as an excuse and a fund raiser,,,,and everything that goes with it.

Keeping weed illegal helps maintain the class system,,,and everything that goes with it.

Keeping weed illegal is a cash cow to a whole raft of societies legal parasites,,,the police,social workers,the legal system in general.

There's simply to many people making a tidy living from keeping things just as they are thanks all the same.

So the answer remains NO.

[scumdog]

The answer is NO.

Our Gov't is not about freedom,it's about control,,,,and everything that goes with it.

Our police use weed as an excuse and a fund raiser,,,,and everything that goes with it.

Keeping weed illegal helps maintain the class system,,,and everything that goes with it.

Keeping weed illegal is a cash cow to a whole raft of societies legal parasites,,,the police,social workers,the legal system in general.

There's simply to many people making a tidy living from keeping things just as they are thanks all the same.

So the answer remains NO.

Remove the foil hat...

[oneofsix]

The answer is NO.

Our Gov't is not about freedom,it's about control,,,,and everything that goes with it.

Our police use weed as an excuse and a fund raiser,,,,and everything that goes with it.

Keeping weed illegal helps maintain the class system,,,and everything that goes with it.

Keeping weed illegal is a cash cow to a whole raft of societies legal parasites,,,the police,social workers,the legal system in general.

There's simply to many people making a tidy living from keeping things just as they are thanks all the same.

So the answer remains NO.

The only sentence that makes sense is the 2nd, yes government is about control.
The rest is so far off the mark it is sad. Keeping weed illegal is about making the tax paying public pay for keeping weed from competing with other products that big business makes it money from.

[Shaun]

Think of the fact that the gangs that now make money from dealing have this large chunk of revenue taken away (I am all for it being legalised, taxed, and available for sale in the equivalent of liquor stores) then its a less attractive lifestyle choice, so, fewer and smaller gangs dealing hard drugs, so the po po can (as long as they get the fucking paperwork right and dont forge any search warrants) target those criminals more effectively. bada boom bada bing, everybody wins.

Consider this then, legalise pot and what do the real scum drug dealers do to get there cash in there pocket

More Burglary
More Granny and grandpa bashings

etc etc etc, scum are scum and will take what they can

Anyone that wants to smoke pot in nz can, as it is every where, if you are dumb enough to bring attention upon yourself, bad lucky