Carbon Bloody Footprints.

[Akzle]

If it is so unnatural, how have we evolved to live like this?

and.. just how well do humans cope with natural disasters, as a species?
i wouldn't be bragging about the current state of humans/humanity as any kind of evolutionary success.

your query is a two banger - the society of humans, and the specie of humans. i'm not going to enter into any kind of logical discussion on this. i'm going to rant, as usual:

humans live longer - from the time you're 18 to 65 you're expected to slave for the government "for the good of society" then go die quietly on 260$/week.
there is way more sickness than ever before, hell, you've created fucking diseases. fuck, they basically made up cancer.
but, thankfully there's a multi (and i mean many-multi- (like, more than the GDP of africa)) billion dollar psycho-pharmaceutical industry to keep you conscious enough to keep showing up at work, failing that, there's the booze industry, plying you with liquor to kill enough braincells at night for you to forget just how shit it actually is.

bees, birds, everything else, works with nature. they're part of a larger wheel.
i don't see much of it in humans. concrete is reinforced with steel to resist nature, double glaze and insulate to keep nature out. too hot? crank the aircon. too cold? destroy something. boring individual? sit in front of the idiot box and get told what you think.

how many birds do you see whining about the weather? none, why? cos they just get the fuck on with it. how many birds do you note trying to cure bird flu? none, why? cos it doesn't fucking matter. how many birds do you see that worry about old age and death? fuckall. how many that want the best for their young? how many that neglect or abuse them? how many that steal their neighbor's nests? how many that create arcane limits on how, when or where other birds can fly, and then gang up to enforce that policy? how many turn up to vote? how many pick other birds over them to make decisions for them?
hum?
how many obese fuckers could outrun a tiger? (or, more realistically, a zombie) how many sick, unthinking a-dolts will survive without millo jovovich?
as much as i love all you cunts, y'aint all gonna be crashing at mine when the zombie apocalypse hits.

but yes, societal structures do exist within bee colonies. and y'know what? they're all fucking working together. there is no competition, no bee is vying for a bigger house/car/boat than his brother-bee, no bay-bees are being bee-ten to death (yay for apiary puns)
they achieve social harmony, every bee is provided for, for the duration of their life. neat huh? there is no commerce, no conflict, no adversarial bullshit to keep the worker bees distracted while the honey is stolen from underneath them.
and they aid pollination of other plants, so they're helping in the larger (earth) sense, too.

and humans are killing bees. humans have properly-fucked bees.
cellphones, insecticides, deforestation blah blah fucking blah.

yay humans. more cancer is what's required. but i've a fiar inkling y'all happy enough to dose yerselves with it.

[Berries]

how many birds do you see whining about the weather? none, why?

Because they can't talk.

Next.

[Akzle]

Because they can't talk.

Next.

so. you mst think africans don't talk, a'cause you can't understand it...

next you'll be thinking trees don't talk. sheesh!

[awa355]

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bees, birds, everything else, works with nature. they're part of a larger wheel.
i don't see much of it in humans. concrete is reinforced with steel to resist nature, double glaze and insulate to keep nature out. too hot? crank the aircon. too cold? destroy something. boring individual? sit in front of the idiot box and get told what you think.

how many birds do you see whining about the weather? none, why? cos they just get the fuck on with it. how many birds do you note trying to cure bird flu? none, why? cos it doesn't fucking matter. how many birds do you see that worry about old age and death? fuckall. how many that want the best for their young? how many that neglect or abuse them? how many that steal their neighbor's nests? how many that create arcane limits on how, when or where other birds can fly, and then gang up to enforce that policy? how many turn up to vote? how many pick other birds over them to make decisions for them?
hum?
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If birds had the ability to rationalize, to analyze, and the ability to alter their enviroment, they would be working out ways of living longer, not staving during severe winters,

Move a nest, with chicks, a metre from where it was and the parent birds will abandon it.

Ever seen Mynors destroying other birds nests and throwing the chicks out just because they can?


Release a Budgie into the garden and see how long before other birds attack it, not because it is a threat, but because it's different.

Birds can be cannabalistic, territorial, and can display all the viciousness that is needed for the survival of their own. ( bit like humans and infact, any living species)

[Akzle]

If birds had the ability to rationalize, to analyze, and the ability to alter their enviroment, they would be working out ways of living longer, not staving during severe winters,

Move a nest, with chicks, a metre from where it was and the parent birds will abandon it.

Ever seen Mynors destroying other birds nests and throwing the chicks out just because they can?


Release a Budgie into the garden and see how long before other birds attack it, not because it is a threat, but because it's different.

Birds can be cannabalistic, territorial, and can display all the viciousness that is needed for the survival of their own. ( bit like humans and infact, any living species)

jeeez, who let mr buzzkill in?


bird stockpile for winters. humans stockpile for about 3 days. little hurricane comes through and you end up with a pack of whining yanks. no electricity waaaaaaa, can't go to mcdonalds waaaaaaa, my kid drowned waaaaaa.
pussies.

Mynahs kill other species. this is pretty natural behavior.

budgies didn't evolve in the wild, did they? (humans destroyed them as a species, same with seagulls. fucken things.)
again, they're a different species to what's killin em.
similar behavior could be observed between the great-white-races and them other folk, the world over, only 50 years back...

[wtf?]

Not sure why some see humans as somehow separate from nature?

As individuals, faced with the same threats as other animals we share our planet with, we will react similarly, i.e we will do what we can to pass on our genes.

Self awareness does not somehow separate us from the rest of the animal kingdom. Its just that we're aware of some of whats going on. Intelligence (properly used) has helped to keep us somewhat removed from the rest of the food chain. Wasn't always so.

Life came to this planet. Sooner or later it will go. Neither taxes, laws nor governments will ever change that. There are only two things that will affect when it will happen. The immediate threat to survival (i.e within the lifetime of the affected generation, which will be too late if we cant evolve or adapt fast enough) or our own sun deciding to supernova.

My guess is the former. Probably through war over arable land.

[Akzle]

Not sure why some see humans as somehow separate from nature?

Self awareness does not somehow separate us from the rest of the animal kingdom. Its just that we're aware of some of whats going on. Intelligence (properly used) has helped to keep us somewhat removed from the rest of the food chain. Wasn't always so.

neither.

although i reckon self awareness is some kind of cosmic charge to better things. in a similar way to buddhists, (ie, this carnation is affected by your previous incarnation and the object of this one is to reach enlightenment) kind of thing.
as we're among the higher sentient life forms, we have this capacity. does it get used on a society-wide, species-wide scale? no.
why not? i blame TV.