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    ZX650R making noises and spinning rims and everything

    Nearly 2 years have gone by but we are so close to get it on the race track.

    The ZX650r made its first DYNO appearance last week, test rides before the dyno were not possible as she was running so badly it would have been impossible. All the small things have slowed the project hugely, the first engine didn't even arrive, which kinda set the tone for the whole build.

    But now she is 94% complete, Meads Speed racing has done all of the fabrication work including modifying the frame to fit the ER motor, then we built new front and rear subframes to match some one off ZX10 and ZX6 fairings, Meads speed built a one off custom Inverse cone race exhuast system. The RNZAF is incharge of colours so the frame is Royal blue with the fairings to be painted black on white. The Magnesium hubbed, Carbon fibre rimmed dymags are fitted and have saved kilos of weight. I have upgraded the brakes to GSXR600 calipers which saved some weight but really increased the bite up front. Im running Power commander and ign controller to manage the beast. We went on a diet, well the bike did, once the engine could fit we started chewing weight out of everywhere, end result was the bike weight the same weight as it was when i had it as a 444cc.... ..... Now we have replaced subframes, gone for a sweet light Shorai batt that is 4 kilos lighter than my MotoBatt one!!! she has lost a large ammount of weight and its even lighter than when it was a 444!!!

    The work that was done to the motor has been a combined effort, Colt cams cut me some good camshafts, Bernard racing did a special porting job for me to open the head up alongh with some other stuff, we have done some other work inside the cases but you'll have to ask in private what that is :-) I did all the assembly this time thou......

    Any Er riders want help with motors let me know... may have a few gems

    After a couple of runs on the dyno it was found my electrical knowledge was severly lacking, we managed to sort most of it out and then we found that certain key sensors such as Air temp and Air pressure sensors were missing, so accurate dyno tuning was impossible as the bike basically uses a base setting to get riders back to a kawasaki deal to fix the fault codes.

    Dyno result, well we only did couple of high power/high throttle app runs mainly to see if this one off exhuast worked.... hmmm not sure if ill publish the current graph or wait till we actually tune it proper...... Lets say I was aiming for over 79hp..... we should have aimed higher, much higher Chris Osborne had a good smile on......

    We are going back to the dyno before the month is out - I was hoping to test it in early December, but I'm being taking to Taiwan for some coaching over there, so it should make its first track appearance at the practice day of Manny tri series, I can't afford to compete there but will compete or make noise at wangas..... see if she like corners aye

    I have some photos of the bike which will go up shortly.
    Chappy

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    what was dyno result ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neil_cb125t View Post
    Nearly 2 years have gone by but we are so close to get it on the race track.

    The ZX650r made its first DYNO appearance last week, test rides before the dyno were not possible as she was running so badly it would have been impossible. All the small things have slowed the project hugely, the first engine didn't even arrive, which kinda set the tone for the whole build.

    But now she is 94% complete, Meads Speed racing has done all of the fabrication work including modifying the frame to fit the ER motor, then we built new front and rear subframes to match some one off ZX10 and ZX6 fairings, Meads speed built a one off custom Inverse cone race exhuast system. The RNZAF is incharge of colours so the frame is Royal blue with the fairings to be painted black on white. The Magnesium hubbed, Carbon fibre rimmed dymags are fitted and have saved kilos of weight. I have upgraded the brakes to GSXR600 calipers which saved some weight but really increased the bite up front. Im running Power commander and ign controller to manage the beast. We went on a diet, well the bike did, once the engine could fit we started chewing weight out of everywhere, end result was the bike weight the same weight as it was when i had it as a 444cc.... ..... Now we have replaced subframes, gone for a sweet light Shorai batt that is 4 kilos lighter than my MotoBatt one!!! she has lost a large ammount of weight and its even lighter than when it was a 444!!!

    The work that was done to the motor has been a combined effort, Colt cams cut me some good camshafts, Bernard racing did a special porting job for me to open the head up alongh with some other stuff, we have done some other work inside the cases but you'll have to ask in private what that is :-) I did all the assembly this time thou......

    Any Er riders want help with motors let me know... may have a few gems

    After a couple of runs on the dyno it was found my electrical knowledge was severly lacking, we managed to sort most of it out and then we found that certain key sensors such as Air temp and Air pressure sensors were missing, so accurate dyno tuning was impossible as the bike basically uses a base setting to get riders back to a kawasaki deal to fix the fault codes.

    Dyno result, well we only did couple of high power/high throttle app runs mainly to see if this one off exhuast worked.... hmmm not sure if ill publish the current graph or wait till we actually tune it proper...... Lets say I was aiming for over 79hp..... we should have aimed higher, much higher Chris Osborne had a good smile on......

    We are going back to the dyno before the month is out - I was hoping to test it in early December, but I'm being taking to Taiwan for some coaching over there, so it should make its first track appearance at the practice day of Manny tri series, I can't afford to compete there but will compete or make noise at wangas..... see if she like corners aye

    I have some photos of the bike which will go up shortly.
    Thanks for the update Chappy,

    Sounds like a bit of a weapon youve got on your hands with some talented craftsmen onboard as well,Good onya mate,I hope it works out for you and I'm sure it will,

    Kind of a novel approach for Kiwibiker though,Using your own money to build your bike and running costs,Shoulda started a thread on here to get everybody else to pay for it....Gotta fly and sort out some beans for sidecar bobs Porsche,Good luck and keep us up to date

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    Thumbs up

    well done! the nitro has just turned up so 100+ hp won't be a problem. can't wait to see it on the track

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayne View Post
    what was dyno result ?
    I won't put up the result at the mo, ill wait till we have finished tuning it.......28th Nov.....
    Chappy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Thanks for the update Chappy,

    Sounds like a bit of a weapon youve got on your hands with some talented craftsmen onboard as well,Good onya mate,I hope it works out for you and I'm sure it will,

    Kind of a novel approach for Kiwibiker though,Using your own money to build your bike and running costs,Shoulda started a thread on here to get everybody else to pay for it....Gotta fly and sort out some beans for sidecar bobs Porsche,Good luck and keep us up to date
    hahaha if only, i suppose im trying to make it seem like it wasn't that hard - im no mechanice, i aint well off, but building something different was fun and i reckon more people should give it a crack!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by neil_cb125t View Post
    hahaha if only, i suppose im trying to make it seem like it wasn't that hard - im no mechanice, i aint well off, but building something different was fun and i reckon more people should give it a crack!!!
    Farken eh!!
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    Look forward to the pics,fwiw a pic of a bloke i know in Englands ER,GSXR forks etc,hes managed to get 85 horses out of it to date on the dyno.Clever bugger who made me the shims/spacers etc to fit GSXR forks onto my TL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neil_cb125t View Post
    - I was hoping to test it in early December, but I'm being taking to Taiwan for some coaching over there, ....
    ??????
    You speaking Asain already......

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98tls View Post
    Look forward to the pics,fwiw a pic of a bloke i know in Englands ER,GSXR forks etc,hes managed to get 85 horses out of it to date on the dyno.Clever bugger who made me the shims/spacers etc to fit GSXR forks onto my TL.

    Yep i have been speaking to sam, he provided heaps of intel - 85 is ok......
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    Quote Originally Posted by neil_cb125t View Post
    Yep i have been speaking to sam, he provided heaps of intel - 85 is ok......
    I would guess 97 or a little over.

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    Good news Neil, yet another high level F3 (ooops i mean Superlite) bike out there on track!

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    Quote Originally Posted by richban View Post
    I would guess 97 or a little over.
    Ummm, we wish Rich....
    That would be right if we could get it to rev to 17000.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by neil_cb125t View Post
    Yep i have been speaking to sam, he provided heaps of intel - 85 is ok......
    Good stuff.Hes a great bloke eh,yap to him on the phone now and again,sounds like you have rung Emmerdale farm.Looking forward to pics and figures of this beast.
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    Exciting times, can't wait to see it in action, been a long time coming, certainly was looking like it was going to be fun (if not a bit challenging) getting to do what you want it to do - big ups!
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